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  • Shifty Moriarty Rookie - 1st Stage (9/20/2014 11:55:00 AM) Post reply

    pyre
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    pyre

  • Mike Acker Rookie - 1st Stage (9/20/2014 11:29:00 AM) Post reply

    @Lamont Palmer

    Being desperate to write without the triteness you mentioned, I went, well, poem-hunting. I ran across this " original" piece. I can't for the life of me recall the name of the writer. Maybe he(or she) can step forward and claim authorship.
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    Peter Principle
    (not written by me, thank god)

    It’s a complete fantasy.
    A fantasy of a fantasy, =(cliched, and trite all at the same time)
    A generalization of yellow =(it is clear here that poet was seeking originality and when none would come naturally, he created it artificially! Originality can't be manufactured)
    Open roses.

    We’ve said things with aplomb, ideas =(big word for Big Bird, falls flat and heavy..where is the music, Palmer?)
    Centering around hope and urges:
    (me getting under your sun dress,
    you getting under my skin) =(to me these side comments you include in your poems are silly and show a clear lack of maturity on the part of the poet)

    And all for naught, all under the assumption
    That you and I are wondrous
    Exceptions, to turn around what needs to be

    Turned, the isolation of shooting stars.
    Such silliness I thought I’d left behind; such
    Are inner children, caught in J.M. Barrie’s tale.
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    I will say with honesty that your soul is not that of a poet, but rather a pompous a$$, desperately yearning to produce " great" poetry.

  • Shifty Moriarty Rookie - 1st Stage (9/20/2014 4:35:00 AM) Post reply

    dire dude dire

  • Mike Acker Rookie - 1st Stage (9/20/2014 3:34:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Broken Wombs(as reply)

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    • Mike Acker Rookie - 1st Stage (9/20/2014 3:34:00 AM) Post reply

      Broken Wombs Where does it lie? Does it lie here, or there? It lies where it lies; neither ahead nor behind. It lies inside my eyes, it lies inside the flies. It lies in mirages of oases ... more

  • Frank Ovid Rookie - 1st Stage (9/19/2014 9:38:00 PM) Post reply

    I'm trying to decide between CougarLife.com and DateRussians.com. Both look very interesting. Has anyone tried these websites?You know, give me a little advice.

  • Jefferson Carter Rookie - 1st Stage (9/19/2014 9:07:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Lamont, I really don't help from Acker. I just want you to answer three questions: 1) That old but unanswerable chestnut, what is poetry? You keep saying I defy definitions everyone else agrees on, but such definitions don't exist. If, as you suggested, " The Great Gatsby" were broken into lines, what essential quality would keep it from being poetry? 2) What do you mean by music? Strict meter? Alliteration?Rhyme? Music has to do with sound, with form, not content. Why is one rhythm better than another? Why are you so hung up on iambic meter?Doesn't every line have rhythm of some sort? 3) You've said the more " formal poetic devices" a poet uses, the better the poem. I know the plain style eschews rhyme and strict meter, but don't the best plain-spoken poets use such figures of speech as similes and metaphors?

    I've been thinking about why I dislike so many plain-style poems I've been reading lately. You're going to faint, but I agree the plain style has fostered the worst kind of flat, uninteresting verse. The chopped-into-lines personal memoirs I hate are prosaic, not because they lack music (though the music supplied by lines breaks in the hands of a good poet like Williams is both subtle and expressive and is absent from the works I despise) but because they lack vivid, precise imagery and original, profound figures of speech; it's their content that sucks, not so much their form.

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    • Lamont Palmer Rookie - 1st Stage (9/20/2014 8:52:00 AM) Post reply

      JC, I didn't faint, but you just proved you knew what the heck I was talking about all the time. Your grudging admission (I feel like an attorney breaking down a witness on the stand) about the failu ... more

  • Frank Ovid Rookie - 1st Stage (9/19/2014 8:50:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    I just went to a poem by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow and I noticed there was an icon to " Edit Poem" . I clicked it and did a little " cleaning up" for " The Wad" (what his close friends refer to him as) . Yeah, I noticed the poem needed some work, so I helped him out. I changed a few lines around. Not much.

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  • Mike Acker Rookie - 1st Stage (9/19/2014 5:19:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    Figurines

    Figures dance, as dark shadows against
    silk shrouds. Some charge, chase, and chivy,
    others are felled, fleeced and flitched

    What fate awaits me?Is it
    the figurine, or just a black
    silhouette against the shrewd silk screen?

    Mike Acker

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    • Mike Acker Rookie - 1st Stage (9/20/2014 11:23:00 AM) Post reply

      Being desperate to write without the triteness you mentioned, I went, well, poem-hunting. I ran across this " original" piece. I can't for the life of me recall the name of the writer. Ma ... more

    • Lamont Palmer Rookie - 1st Stage (9/20/2014 9:13:00 AM) Post reply

      'Dark Shadows' was a TV show back in the 70's. But even before then, 'dark shadows' was still a terrible cliché. 'What fate awaits me'?So melodramatic, 'Acker'. You've got the soul of a poet, but you ... more

  • Mike Acker Rookie - 1st Stage (9/19/2014 4:54:00 PM) Post reply

    It seems our resident Big Bird(Lamont Palmer, see my poem " Lamont Palmer and His Mediocrities" ;) is getting in too deep.
    i want to help Lamont Palmer by providing the forum with great examples
    of his " genius" . Sometimes how someone actually writes is more relevant than
    what he says(over and over again) .
    Anyone who does not see the genius in the following lines
    from Mr. Pamer's poetry is either blind or not a child in the crowd:

    " Drive his tongue from city to city" , or
    " Lay like roadkill at the entrance of ears" , or even
    " in the car Of your thoughts" ....

    This is so dense that at first it feels like gold and then upon
    closer inspection it becomes clear that we simply have
    a lot of lead, dead lead.
    These are excerpts from a poem he is so ashamed of, he has deleted it.
    I think we need to take whatever Palmer says with a pound of salt.

  • Mohammad Skati Bronze Star - 4th Stage (9/19/2014 1:09:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    A poet's style clearly shows him or her greatly to others. Thanks.

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