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  • Poetry Snob (aka Jefferson Carter) (9/15/2005 7:37:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Michael, I've logged on as Snob, pointlessly. To answer your question about my students attitude toward rhyme, it's the usual. Since they haven't read any contemporary poetry, they think Poe is the cat's pjs and Longfellow is a great poet. Once I've exposed them to such good poets as Kate Daniels, Marvin Bell, Gary Snyder, Marie Howe, etc., on their own they'll decide there's a lot more to poetry than rhyme. My mantra: rhyme's easy to do badly and hard to do well. JC

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    • Michael Shepherd (9/16/2005 5:48:00 AM) Post reply

      If they like Longfellow, have they read Lewis Carroll on Hiawatha's photography, in seven instalments? It's a riot and on this site...

  • Michael Shepherd (9/15/2005 11:22:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Invent a new language anyone can understand.

    Climb the Statue of Liberty.

    Reach for the unattainable.

    Kiss the mirror and write what you see and hear.

    Dance with wolves and count the stars, including the unseen.

    Be na•ve, innocent, uncynical, as if you had just landed on Earth (as indeed you have, as indeed wwe all have) , astonished by what you have fallen upon.

    Write living newspapers. Be a reporter from outerspace, filing dispatches to some supreme managing editor who believes in full disclosure and has a low tolerance for hot air.

    Read between the lines of human discourse.

    Avoid the provincial, go for the universal.

    Think subjectively, write objectively.

    Don’t bow down to critics who have not themselves written great masterpieces.

    Remember everything, forget nothing.

    Work on a frontier, if you can find one.

    Go to sea, or work near water, and paddle your own boat.

    Associate with thinking poets. They’re hard to find.

    Don’t be so open-minded that your brains fall out.

    Be a poet, not a huckster. Don’t cater, don’t pander, especially not to possible audiences, readers, editors or publishers.

    Come out of your closet. It’s dark in there.

    Be committed to something outside yourself. Be militant about it. Or ecstatic.

    To be a poet at 16 is to be 16, to be a poet at 40 is to be a poet. Be both.

    Thanks, Marcy...

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    • sheila knowles (9/15/2005 2:12:00 PM) Post reply

      and mine is definitely the second last one...passion for something. Where the hell is it gone? ?

  • Michael Shepherd (9/15/2005 11:07:00 AM) Post reply

    Marcy, Where does Ferlinghetti (who was my poetic discovery next after Yeats, Rilke, Eliot and Li Po, in my beat years and Coney Island of the Mind...) give this advice?

    The world of little people is highly specialised, and woe betide any who get the distinctions wrong.. there are trolls, gnomes, elves, goblins, pixies, leprechauns, and gremlins, for a start. Watch out.

  • Michael Shepherd (9/15/2005 6:51:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Sherrie, thanks for the comment, I've added a stanza to 'Rilke on Solitude' to clarify 'things' (which I believe has a more inclusive meaning in German to that in English, HN?) . It finishes rather nicely now, with a further mention of the poet as child...

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    • Herbert Nehrlich1 (9/15/2005 8:29:00 AM) Post reply

      It is far easier for a German to translate Rilke's poetry than it would be for a non-native speaker. Someone on this site has attempted a couple of translations of other poets...with disastrous resu ... more

  • Poetry Hound (9/15/2005 5:57:00 AM) Post reply

    Thanks for the recent spate of poems posted here, Sherrie. I like getting turned on to new poets. That's a terrific poem you posted a little while back. But who is the author? And praytell, what does it have to do with Socialism?

  • Herbert Nehrlich1 (9/15/2005 5:36:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Thanks to all for their kind comments on my dental mention, I have since written another one (just posted) (Tooth Mobility) and will send it to the place for possible inclusion.
    I must say that I am really enjoying the new peace and 'professionalism' as well as the lighthearted banter and the general regard exhibited by most for others.
    It is a real pleasure again to visit P/H.
    And many of you can be very proud of bringing this about.
    Best wishes to all

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    • Max Reif (9/15/2005 7:54:00 AM) Post reply

      I have a dental piece too: 'Feeling the Bite'. Also, a short essay called 'Dental Topiary' on my website.

  • Max Reif (9/14/2005 4:32:00 PM) Post reply

    I want to say I appreciated all the comments on my morning's poem, 'Lines About My Father'. It was inspired *partly* by Michael Phillips' piece about his dysfunctional family, yesterday, partly by Raynette's comment to him, and partly by a Jungian book (always a deep source) I'm reading.

  • Michael Gessner (9/14/2005 3:35:00 PM) Post reply

    Thanks, Sherrie for posting the price. It's actually modest considering the book's 1383 pages of small but readable print. The only 'academic' association is the press, otherwise the substance and form of the material is not academic'(in its readability, clarity, etc.)
    I can always find something new or interesting in it, (and should add, I have no affiliation with the book, the press, etc.)

  • Michael Gessner (9/14/2005 1:36:00 PM) Post reply

    The New Princeton Encyclopedia of Poetry and Poetics, (ital.,) is a rich resource of forms, history, schools, and all things of importance to poetry & the poetry-minded. It is cross-cultural and diachronic, so there are explanations of contemporary movements emerging from specific authors and groups in Europe, South America, etc., as well as, say, the development of the longest poem, the Mahabharata, composed of over 110,000 couplets or slokas (ital.,) of 16 syllables each. Most discussions, including those on the forum, could be informed, developed and clarified with this one reference, in addition to its wealth of knowledge on a subject of interest to all who use this site.

  • Allan James Saywell (9/14/2005 4:59:00 AM) Post reply

    it is probably not the place to tell bird stories but i have been having visits from a couple of pee wee's one male, the males have bushy eyebrows much like
    men over sixty the females have a lot of courage two pee wee's visit me most days of the week come right inside and pick crumbs from the floor while chirping and singing to me i leave a fish-bowl full of water outside on the patio, so they can drink and bath if they wish, i am five floors up which of course is no problem for the birds but i do feel a certain honour in the fact
    that they did choose my unit to visit, and were else would you have turkeys walking down little hill street to nest for the night in some man made bush
    we also have crows parrots magpies honey-suckles, owls kookaburra's yes they
    laugh at me all the time and yes it pisses me off

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