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  • Allan James Saywell (11/18/2005 10:30:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

    just caught an award night in britain related to music this band won an award
    they were called THE GORILAZ and this other heavy metal group called
    System of the down' made me smile a little bit, a long smile a big wide smile
    oh shit be honest, i rolled on the floor the young fellow had to throw a
    bucket of water over me

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  • Allan James Saywell (11/18/2005 6:12:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

    the world is a big litter box full of the dregs of society and if we have a
    conscience we should sweep it clean

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    • Joseph Daly (11/18/2005 6:31:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies Stage

      'cause one daya rain's gonna come and wash that scum away. Something bugging you Allan, I usually expect better than this from you.

  • Allan James Saywell (11/18/2005 5:33:00 PM) Post reply Stage

    that reminds me i'm out of kitty litter

  • Max Reif (11/18/2005 4:40:00 PM) Post reply Stage

    Here's an example of what a community this group is for me:
    This morning I saw a bumper sticker on a car a ways ahead of me. I couldn't quite make it out. A little closer, I thought it said JOHN KAY. John Kay's name on a bumper sticker, I wondered?
    Still closer, of course, I realized it was an old JOHN KERRY sticker.

    I'm looking forward to my copy of Jefferson's book arriving soon.

  • Michael Philips (11/18/2005 3:23:00 PM) Post reply Stage

    I just received my copy of Jefferson Carter's book! I'm very impressed. The title poem, 'Litter Box, ' is a scream. The cover art is quite the delight too. I highly recommend the book to everyone.

  • Lori Boulard (11/18/2005 2:51:00 PM) Post reply | Read 4 replies Stage

    Oh, happy weekend, everyone. For your viewing pleasure, updated anthology files are online at http: // I had to keep separate files for the cover, intro/TOC and poems due to formatting, but hopefully you can view it all together on lulu next week once I walk it through.
    Before you ask, I will do my best to get it through publishing by Thanksgiving (something to be thankful for) which is next Thursday for all you non-Yanks. When it's ready, I'd like to test it first to make sure it's right before general orders go in. Cost is guessed at around $10US + shipping but I'll know better next week.

    Please view it this weekend if you can; after that THERE WILL BE NO MORE CHANGES possible.
    Have a great weekend, and check out poems by Declan McHenry, Ben Cassel and Denis McMahon if you can. I shall.
    A bientot,

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  • Declan McHenry (11/18/2005 1:01:00 PM) Post reply | Read 4 replies Stage

    Hi folks. The way this forum is set up it's impossible to search to see if a question has already been asked so sorry if this is a repeat.

    The PoemHunter website has, really for the first time, allowed me to read a lot of work by American writers. From my own opinion there seem to be quite significant differences in form and style between those writing on one side of the Atlantic compared to the other. Part of this may be down to cultural references but I'm not entirely certain that is a full explanation for the differences. Has anyone got any thoughts on defining or explaining the difference (if you agree there is one) ?

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    • Lori Boulard (11/18/2005 9:38:00 PM) Post reply Stage

      I may get pounded for this, but hey, it's happened before. In all honesty - myself guilty as well - we Americans can confuse innovation with, well, laziness. There is value to UNDERSTANDING the rul ... more

    • Ernestine Northover (11/18/2005 2:54:00 PM) Post reply Stage

      I agree with Michael in that we English are far more staid and do tend to search for the truth in everything, I think americans have a younger outlook and are braver in trying out new prose. With us i ... more

    • Michael Shepherd (11/18/2005 1:40:00 PM) Post reply Stage

      Declan, it came up once but we didn't give it a good run, since most of us only know one or the other. I think only Adam can really compare. I haven't read much contemporary British poetry. Sonja may ... more

    • Poetry Hound (11/18/2005 1:24:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

      Extremely interesting question. But I'm ... more

  • Mary Nagy (11/18/2005 11:10:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies Stage

    I would like to let everyone know my niece CRYSTAL JOHNSON is going to join us here at poemhunter! I hope you'll all maker her feel welcomed and read her poems. From what I've read, I think she is very talented! Thanks guys. Sincerely, Mary

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    • Lori Boulard (11/18/2005 2:53:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

      Wow, it runs in the family! Welcome to her, I'm sure she'll feel right at home.

    • Mary Nagy (11/18/2005 1:29:00 PM) Post reply Stage

      Thanks to those who checked her out! I'm actually really impressed. I think she'll have no trouble fitting right in here! Sincerely, Mary

  • Max Reif (11/18/2005 7:43:00 AM) Post reply | Read 4 replies Stage

    One of my favorite (most true to life as I've known it) quotes, on PATIENCE, by the sage, Inayat Khan. Comments?

    'Patience is the most difficult thing in life and, once this is
    mastered, man will become the master of all difficulties. Patience,
    in other words, may be called the power of endurance during the
    absence of the desired things or conditions. They say death is the
    worst thing in life, but, in point of fact, patience is often worse
    than death.

    One would prefer death to patience when patience is severely tried.
    Patience is a life power. It is a spiritual power and the greatest
    virtue that one can have; for it is a cross and, on this, the patient

    one is crucified. And, as resurrection follows crucifixion, so all
    success and happiness must follow the trying moments of patience.'

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    • Lori Boulard (11/18/2005 10:44:00 AM) Post reply Stage

      and may I say how wonderful it is to hear actual POETIC discussion here on the forum this morning... a welcome change, if I may say so.

    • Michael Shepherd (11/18/2005 10:41:00 AM) Post reply Stage

      There's a stunning letter on patience by Marsilio Ficino 1433-1499, which I had the privilege of translating into English for the first time...He reasons it step by step 'Patience makes the inevitable ... more

    • Declan McHenry (11/18/2005 8:47:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

      I remember hearing the following being attributed to Saint Augustine, but personally I'm not certain it is one of his: 'Patience is the reward of patience.' Regardless of who coined it, you can look a ... more

    • Poetry Hound (11/18/2005 7:59:00 AM) Post reply Stage

      I almost made the obvious joke of saying ... more

  • Poetry Hound (11/18/2005 7:20:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies Stage

    Well if it's not too soon for Christmas songs, it's not too soon for Christmas poems. Does anyone have an opinion on Dylan Thomas' old saw, 'A Child's Christmas In Wales? ' Some may reject it as 'prosey, ' others as excessively maudlin, but there's no denying it's a classic.

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    • Lori Boulard (11/18/2005 10:42:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

      Where can I hear this? I'll read it if that's the only way, but Max mentioned a reading, which is always more interesting, I feel.

    • Max Reif (11/18/2005 7:29:00 AM) Post reply Stage

      It was quite wonderful hearing it on the radio as we drove back from Monterrey last Christmas season! (But possibly Dylan Thomas could read even the phone book aloud, and I'd think it wonderful.) The ... more

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