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  • Michael Shepherd (10/30/2005 5:54:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    I think All Saints' Day has got to me this morning...going back a few posts...Max, Jefferson, Adam...I drafted the article on Poemhunter simply out of gratitude. So if any of you have friends, acquaintances, small poetry mags, etc who might like to hear of Poemhunter, you're welcome to press PH management for the missing details, adapt the article, add the fact that you yourself will be found on it as contributor...whatever, Gonzo... though whether the 'avant-garde' would want to contribute to PH is arguable, layout-wise or otherwise...anyway, feel free. I have reminded Teymur, Emilie, and Collette indirectly I guess, that the article is in suspense awaiting their infill.

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  • Michael Shepherd (10/30/2005 4:26:00 AM) Post reply | Read 4 replies

    The quotation mentions Stalin and Lenin - who else do you want to speak for Communism? They've taken over our finest houses in London, our prostitution industry, and now our football team(s) ... 'Rich Communism', whose ill-gotten gains (excuse the phrase) have been made by grinding the face of the poor in Russia to spend their riches in the world's capitals of kapital..etc...

    But shouldn't we be more worried about the oestrogen accumulating in our water supply, slowly evoluting men into infertile men-women with secondary bodily changes like pecs not acquired by gymwork? Is the solution (so to speak) to add testosterone to our public water supply, even if it evolutes women into Mrs Thatchers, while retaining handbags (or for American readers, 'purses' which however for Europeans has other intimate connotations...) ?
    Is this a conspiracy far more devastating for the human race than a few million deaths byfluoride? (Australian papers please copy, as we used to say in the press.)

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    • Marcy Jarvis (10/30/2005 5:56:00 AM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

      By the way, Americans say 'pocketbook' more than 'purse', at least in the NE, where purse does still retain its British 'flavour'.

    • Michael Shepherd (10/30/2005 5:44:00 AM) Post reply

      Actually, I have the sense that Britain is about to go into a more serious phase of Nanny State v. scientific truth debate. The US must be finding the same? Fr'instance, where to ban smoking? Ultimate ... more

    • Herbert Nehrlich1 (10/30/2005 5:15:00 AM) Post reply

      I will refrain from going into this as I know that you, Michael, can see what is behind the fluoridation issue. Yes hormonal disruption is widespread, Nature does cope with this rather well, toxins a ... more

    • Ikazoboh Austine Jeffrey (10/30/2005 4:45:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

      yes micheal, i agree with you. But after ... more

  • Poetry Hound (10/30/2005 2:56:00 AM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    No conspriacy theory would be complete without mentioning Hitler. And that one does. Bravo! But darn it, it doesn't mention Communists. It comes close, with 'subversive agents, Godless intellectual parasites, ' which is pretty darn good, especially blaming intellectuals as it does, but I'll still have to take off 5 points from the score for not explicitly blaming Communists.

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    • Herbert Nehrlich1 (10/30/2005 4:20:00 PM) Post reply

      I like how you hide behind your insinuations. I do this so people like you can get a bit of an education. H

    • Poetry Hound (10/30/2005 7:52:00 AM) Post reply

      I like how you spell out the name fully. It gives the appearance of scholarship.

    • Herbert Nehrlich1 (10/30/2005 5:12:00 AM) Post reply

      Last time I looked, Vladimir Ilyitch Uljanov, also known as Lenin, was as communist as they come. H

  • Herbert Nehrlich1 (10/30/2005 1:58:00 AM) Post reply

    Weekend reading, since nothing else has been posted.
    I couldn't resist this. No one can say that Einstein's nephew, who speaks below, is not a reputable scientist. Actually, no one has ever said it.
    'Quoting Einstein`s nephew, Dr. E.H. Bronner (a chemist who had also been a
    prisoner of war during WWII) in a letter printed in The Catholic Mirror,
    Springfield, MA, January 1952:

    'It appears that the citizens of Massachusetts are among the `next` on the
    agenda of the water poisoners.

    'There is a sinister network of subversive agents, Godless `intellectual`
    parasites, working in our country today whose ramifications grow more
    extensive, more successful and more alarming each new year and whose true
    objective is to demoralize, paralyze and destroy our great Republic-from
    within if they can, according to their plan-for their own possession. 'The
    tragic success they have already attained in their long siege to destroy
    the moral fiber of American life is now one of their most potent footholds
    towards their own ultimate victory over us.

    'Fluoridation of our community water systems can well become their most
    subtle weapon for our sure physical and mental deterioration....

    'As a research chemist of established standing, I built within the past 22
    years,3 American chemical plants and licensed 6 of my 53 patents. Based on
    my years of practical experience in the health-food and chemical field, let
    me warn: fluoridation of drinking water is criminal insanity, sure national
    suicide. Don`t do it.

    'Even in small quantities, sodium fluoride is a deadly poison to which no
    effective antidote has been found. Every exterminator knows that it is the
    most efficient rat-killer.... Sodium fluoride is entirely different from
    organic calcium-fluoro-phosphate needed by our bodies and provided by
    nature, in God`s great providence and love, to build and strengthen our
    bones and our teeth. This organic calcium-fluoro-phosphate, derived from
    proper foods, is an edible organic salt, insoluble in water and assimilable
    by the human body, whereas the non-organic sodium fluoride used in
    fluoridating water is instant poison to the body and fully water soluble.
    The body refuses to assimilate it. 'Careful, bonafide laboratory
    experimentation by conscientious, patriotic research chemists, and actual
    medical experience, have both revealed that instead of preserving or
    promoting `dental health, ` fluoridated drinking water destroys teeth,
    before adulthood and after, by the destructive mottling and other
    pathological conditions it actually causes in them, and also
    creates many other very grave pathological conditions in the internal
    organisms of bodies consuming it. How can it be called a 'health' plan?
    What`s behind it?

    'That any so-called 'doctors' would persuade a civilized nation to add
    voluntarily a deadly poison to its drinking water systems is unbelievable.
    It is the height of criminal

    insanity. 'No wonder Hitler and Stalin fully believed and agreed from 1939
    to 1941 that, quoting from both Lenin`s Last Will and Hitler`s Mein Kampf:

    'America we shall demoralize, divide, and destroy from within.'...

    'Are our Civil Defense organizations and agencies awake to the perils of
    water poisoning by fluoridation? Its use has been recorded in other
    countries. Sodium fluoride water solutions are the cheapest and most
    effective rat killers known to chemists: colorless, odorless, tasteless; no
    antidote, no remedy, no hope: Instant and complete extermination of rats.
    .................

    'Fluoridation of water systems can be slow national suicide, or quick
    national liquidation. It is criminal insanity-treason! ' Dr. E.H. Bronner,
    Mfg. Research Chemist, Los Angeles.....'

    This was written in 1952. The essence of his words has not changed at all.
    Too much fluoride will be chemical castration, less will mean the slow poisoning of the population, while subduing them and destroy their spirit.
    Best
    H

  • Max Reif (10/29/2005 1:28:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    NOW HERE'S A POETIC IMAGE I OVERHEARD!

    a friend spoke of her intestinal condition as 'dying rear'.

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    • Michael Shepherd (10/30/2005 4:53:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      Hey Max! Didn't you read my poem 'Metaphor' which has now hit the charts at (haven't looked today) , somewhere 200-400-ish? About dire-rear?

    • Richard George (10/29/2005 1:58:00 PM) Post reply

      Well done for picking up her eaves-droppings... sorry, I just couldn't resist that.

  • Max Reif (10/29/2005 12:51:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    I've been reading some poets new to me today. Below is a comment I made on the page of Natashe Ashwe. I also like the poems of Linda Jenkinson and Bera Tremoz.

    Natashe Ashwe says in her biography, 'I am an artist and poet...I think.' I've just read several of her poems, and I would say, 'I KNOW! ' Natasha writes powerfully about both the beauty and the beguiling lures lurking in life. She writes, for example, of 'pickpocket loves' who have left her heart empty. She is an original, powerful voice.

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    • Lee Tran (10/29/2005 4:39:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      This is first time in here and man there are some good talented writers that me as a young adult can look up to for inspiration.... :) Thanks for showing the community more dedicated writers! !

    • Alice Vedral Rivera (10/29/2005 1:30:00 PM) Post reply

      I agree with you Max. I, too, enjoy reading the works of these poets. I am grateful that this site exists and that we can read and take pleasure in the words of so many diverse and talented people. ... more

  • Poetry Hound (10/29/2005 9:25:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    Ran across this book, 'Haikus For Jews, ' with some clever pieces:

    After the warm rain,
    the sweet smell of camellias.
    Did you wipe your feet?

    Coroner’s report –
    “The deceased, wearing no hat,
    caught his death of cold.”

    Left the door open
    for the Prophet Elijah.
    Now our cat is gone.

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    • Michael Shepherd (10/30/2005 3:57:00 AM) Post reply

      Four thousand years of Hebrew and still no word for 'tact'... so who needs it?

    • Richard George (10/29/2005 2:02:00 PM) Post reply

      A joke about the U.K.'s long time-expired Prime Minister Tony Blair: in order to win the Jewish vote, Blair's aides decide to get him circumcised. It takes longer than expected. After three hours the ... more

  • Michael Shepherd (10/29/2005 5:50:00 AM) Post reply

    Damn! All I got under my last post were ads for poetry...OK, extensions, fake rolex watches, pills, patches, wife, happier, inches... Google, try those for size....

  • Michael Shepherd (10/29/2005 5:47:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Ain't the online ads cute? Mention Turkey, and zap - three ads for Turkish thingies appear on the Forum next to your sublimely wise post... all done by Google. Which suggests a game - like mention gorilla dust, and see if ads for zoos and hoovers come up... watch this space...

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    • Max Reif (10/29/2005 10:21:00 AM) Post reply

      YOu mean those green ads up there? Those are the only ones I see on this page. Yeah, they're all for poetry. Well, a lot of people DO mention poetry here. But...Turkey, Turkey..Here, Turkey! Cmon guys ... more

  • Allan James Saywell (10/29/2005 12:44:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    i saw a movie last night called' midnight express' which told the story of a young american caught in turkey about to board a plane back to the united
    states he had about 2oo dollars of weed strapped to his body apparently tricky
    dickey nixon had upset the turks and they took it out on the young american
    by giving him a life sentence he aventually escaped back to america worth a look

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    • ***** ***** (10/29/2005 11:50:00 AM) Post reply

      ahem, yes that one has been a classic for quite a few years now... I guess Australia hasn't caught the nostalgia-as-television bug... over here the 'top 50' has pepperred our screens with the film gen ... more

    • Herbert Nehrlich1 (10/29/2005 1:59:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      Excellent movie Allan, true story with no facts changed at all. I liked it when the warden got 'hooked' in the occipital bone just before the man escaped. Have you seen Deadly Pursuit? It was filmed ... more

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