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  • Rev. Dr. A. Jacob Hassler (8/16/2005 10:59:00 AM) Post reply | Read 4 replies

    i thought i'd give about 24 hours for folks to come on board with the Corpse Poem, so here we go.

    we'll make it topical. 'Emily Dickenson's Breasts' seems to be the topic of choice. each poet will compose a five line stanza. i will PM each of you when your turn comes with one (1) line from the preceding poet for you to start your stanza off. please reply back to me with your stanza and i'll move it along.

    if you have any burning questions, just shoot.

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  • Michael Shepherd (8/16/2005 10:17:00 AM) Post reply

    My assessment is: there are three factors here. One is that PH has shortened its post-it time (though not always): second, it seems to have created two log-in streams, one for home page, one for posting; and third, whenever a server gets near being taken over by a bigger server, it's probably because of overloading and lacking the resources to expand. Right now, wanadoo which took over freeserve, which was getting worse and worse, asks for a redial sometimes every 20 seconds at peak times. So one sometimes can't get (because of the redial pending) back to what was going on before. AAAARGH.
    Put the three together and life's a bit... (Redial pending) ... ch.

  • Herbert Nehrlich1 (8/16/2005 4:44:00 AM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    Off subject. Anyone having a lot of problems with the system asking for e-mail and password every few minutes. It's happening to me and it will lose my poems (freshly 'created') every time. Though I follow the advice now (was it Michael?) and save them after typing.
    Is it just me or is the system experiencing problems?
    Thanks for any volunteer answers.

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    • Max Reif (8/16/2005 8:22:00 AM) Post reply

      Everything always works like a charm (sorry for the cliche', let me change that to 'works like a nose'!) for me here except they still don't dropp the double 'p', usually. My e-mail program keeps ask ... more

    • Gol Mcadam (8/16/2005 6:30:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      Have you tried typing the poems on a word processor then 'Cut & Paste' to Poemhunter? It cuts down the time online.

    • Richard George (8/16/2005 5:23:00 AM) Post reply

      I've had not quite the same problem. On occasion there's only a limited time to type poems in. One longer poem of mine required *eight* attempts and extensive tugging of hair follicles. Thank the Lord ... more

  • Michael Shepherd (8/16/2005 4:13:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    Hunter-gatherers, backbiters, sinful and damned charitably included: two small matters.
    Do you ever read the supposedly poetry-related headlines on the home Page - like Nikki Giovanni's sister laid to rest (!) ... but sometimes they're really of interest. Usually they add a sign-up. But the current Kentucky item (third from bottom today) wants your sign-up first. This is tiresome - they just lead to more spam offers from 'associates'. I suggest we complain to PH when deprived of these riveting items by commercial stupidity...

    Second, has anyone ever contributed to the Academy's website for offerings? Naturally I'm not eligible even if, but I wondered if it contains any quality work.

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  • Angela Hansard (8/15/2005 10:09:00 PM) Post reply | Read 6 replies

    To all of you who are making fun of Bob Gotti, just remember that you are making fun of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.Because this is who Bob is writing about. May the Lord have mercy on your souls.If you all do not turn your life around your souls are bound for Hell. Bob is doing his part in getting the message out there to the non believers and trying to turn them around and see the light of Jesus. Frankly there needs to be more poets like Bob.Soleave him alone. Go back to backbitting each other like you usually do.

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    • Lamont Palmer (8/17/2005 11:06:00 AM) Post reply

      Better late than never. Peter got it late too, but Jesus didnt hold it against him. I came back to say I support this statement. Thanks for this Angie.

    • Matthew Pearson (8/16/2005 10:16:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

      Addendum. It is only people's fascination with me that drew them back here. Mr. Hound, some the paraphrased cliches were from 'Casablanca' you dumbski. Not high art, but well-known popular culture. Ms ... more

    • Rev. Dr. A. Jacob Hassler (8/16/2005 10:13:00 AM) Post reply

      Angela, did you just say that Bob Gotti is Jesus Christ?

    • Herbert Nehrlich1 (8/15/2005 10:22:00 PM) Post reply

      Angel, it was predictable that you would ... more

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  • Rev. Dr. A. Jacob Hassler (8/15/2005 7:02:00 AM) Post reply | Read 6 replies

    well, hello fellow PoemHunters! i'd come out of my weekend coma to find an Inbox inundated with requests for another Exquisite Corpse. i'm all up for coordinating and organizing it. i guess the only thing to decide is our approach! if you want to participate, please dropp me a line. i'll start putting together a line-up.

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  • Ann Spencer (8/15/2005 6:09:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Michael, re. 'Fantasia For Francis'. Thanks but you are the reader. What I meant is not at issue, rather it's what it meant to you that matters. So, if you don't mind, I would rather you did launch into a spiel about why it's 'unsuccessful'.

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  • Michael Shepherd (8/15/2005 5:47:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    Maty, your spirited defence and justification somehow reminded me of Sinatra singing 'I did it my way'... but I think Poetry Snob - although perhaps he or she lacks Jefferson's exquisite tact - does have a point. I'd say your basic error if error it was, was in choosing a metaphoric or allegorical framework for some powerful and extended thought on Justice; so that 'straight' comment overloaded with its enthusiasm the framework. I believe that you could write a very powerful poem on Justice without the metaphorical basis, which would carry the reader better. Extended metaphor has to be kept very tightly and succinctly within itself to be effective, I would suggest. If I added 'too clever by half' as a common comment, it would be in relation to the reader's reception rather than an ad hominem jibe, which as you know we deplore in this site of opinionated poetry snobs... and I'll forgive you on grounds of assumed juvenility, of spelling my name wrong a few times. Actually, the wheel is a more powerful symbol than the wagon in some contexts such as this, since it evokes movement rather than being carried. I think it could stay in some places; 'wagon' gets into the 'machinery of state' area.
    As evidently as scorpion among scorpions, you're welcome to this cosy nest of could take a swipe at some of our poems ho ho. I'm AJS would agree. Just don't start with his...

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    • Maty Grosman (8/15/2005 9:58:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      Thank you, Michael, for your replay. I must admit that your remark is very interesting; I'll have to give it some thought. The biggest problem I faced was the fact that after I identified the metap ... more

    • Herbert Nehrlich1 (8/15/2005 6:13:00 AM) Post reply

      I think the only thing that could save this poem is the establishment (horror) of a smoothly flowing rhyme, something that any framework will easily carry. Obviously, it must be done by the Rhyme Po ... more

  • Allan James Saywell (8/15/2005 3:02:00 AM) Post reply

    to maty well said you certainly told that theatre actor poetry snob that your not just a pretty face i dont no wether he will understand you though
    you appear to have his measure if he said something nasty he likes you

  • Maty Grosman (8/15/2005 2:41:00 AM) Post reply

    RE: Poetry Snob

    I appreciate your attempt to be straightforward. Yet, for the time being, it is only an attempt...I thank you for introducing me to a poet, whose works I will definitely intend to explore. And I also except with a bow your remark about my spelling; that is uncalled for! I will be more careful in the future.

    As for the rest of it, I urge you to stand behind your arguments explicitly; more then just generalized adjectives such as 'ungraceful' or 'murky'.
    When you state that: 'the whole metaphorical structure does little more than over-complicate a simple idea', you must mean that you understand both the idea and the metaphorical structure. In that case, I would ask you to state both. Yet, I believe that if you do understand the idea, you wouldn't claim it to be as simple as that.

    It might not be a great piece of poetry in terms of the 'basics' you have mentioned, and of which I am (explicitly) mostly ignorant. For I am lacking the proper schoolings. Yet, I do rise to defend this poem because It is true to it's substance, of which I heavily contemplated every part.

    Technically, I was concerned with exploring the field of metaphors (which you've mentioned above) , while communicating the historical background and philosophical ideas. (The later being actually rather complicated, and thus presenting a difficulty and being responsible for the poem’s length) . In regarding the presentation, I have deliberately chosen a relatively light and obvious pace of rhyming, what I believed would help solve the problem of length by making the poem flow. (Although I did alter and break the rhyme where I wanted to emphasize) .
    The style I chose to use was also light, with which I tried (along with the chosen metaphors) to suggest the pace of telling a tale, or a legend. The tone of speech and choice of words varied between objects and subjects within the context;
    Shepherd- in a childish, almost ridicule way,
    The driver- with a note of contempt and mischief,
    The horse- with a note of pride, yet always with a sense of the flaw...
    * I just want to note that the whole poem is presented in a childish tone of a tale to make my view of the situation that I'm writing about clear, and also, because I feel that sometimes presenting a horrible thing in a light way creates the strongest imprint.

    I do not want to analyze the whole poem here for I'm sure that people in this forum have other interests on their mind(I would gladly discuss it elsewhere if someone is interested) , but it is only to show you that every part of this poem was contemplated both in substance and presentation. You may disagree with me in regard to my method of presentation, in which field you might possess much further knowledge then I do...(Although I do believe that this poem is a whole and that the presentation suites the substance) . Yet you cannot say that this poem is garbage, for although I'm quite new to the field of poetry, I'm not new to the field of art; I know to differ commercial from artistical; or a 'heap of rubbish' from value.

    I will gladly accept ideas and criticism, but as I said, not unless you support it explicitly. Otherwise your ideas are of no value to me.

    I would like to add only one last thing, which, otherwise I would believe to be self evident: If I thought my writings to be perfect, I wouldn't ask people to review them; I wanted people to review them IN ORDER to see how well and how clear did I manage to communicate them.


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