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  • Michael Shepherd (5/26/2005 1:39:00 PM) Post reply

    JC, that's a good idea. I didn't think we did a very good job on James Mills, actually. (James, would you like to comment on the comments?)

    Could you post your critique/appreciation, Lamont, to get us going, since you're probably best at this?

    I'll be late in posting, as I'm off on a philosophic symposium for a week. I have already read it, but not yet carefully enough to critique it.

  • Raynette Eitel (5/26/2005 11:48:00 AM) Post reply

    Shouldn't there be age requirements to this website? Sounds like some junior high kids who are trying to shock everyone. I thought this was a discussion page for IDEAS or good books and poetry...not empty thoughts. We have talked about the music in poetry and it made me remember a poet in a workshop I attended years ago. Her name was Elizabeth Shafer and she made her living writing a syndicated poem and wrote poems on the side. Although they were wonderful, big poems, she read them aloud in a flat monotone voice. I asked her about that and she said, 'A poem should stand on its own without theatrics.' I think Shakespeare might disagree, although I know there are some actors, like Richard Burton, who could make a grocery list sound like a song. There definitely is a musical quality in good free verse, but defining it exactly is difficult. I think every poet should read his/her poems aloud before ever presenting it in print.

  • Allan James Saywell (5/25/2005 4:10:00 PM) Post reply

    baxter you have not written enough poems to deserve a mention you must have been the class clown, i am not going to bother with you anymore, i am bored with you

  • P.O.P. Erwin Baxter (5/25/2005 4:52:00 AM) Post reply

    My poems have accrued an astouding averages of 10 ratings per poem! My critics accuse me of dumbing down but essentially I'm like Dickens or Bukowski: a writer for the man on the street and the ends justify the means.
    erwin baxter

  • mother baxter (5/24/2005 8:17:00 PM) Post reply

    dont feel bad about having a raspy voice sonja as well as being deaf
    just sing opera in the bath

  • mother baxter (5/24/2005 8:15:00 PM) Post reply

    sonja are you born again, have you come back, anyway a great blessing from mother baxter, wait till i get hold of erwin, saying all those terrible things
    he isn't a son of mine anymore, dont tell everone but erwin is bent

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  • Andy Konisberg (5/24/2005 7:02:00 PM) Post reply

    RE-Bob Dylan. I went to see a gig of his 5 years ago. I think he has written some of the greatest songs of his era...and even if one does not like him, it is hard to dispute that Dylan did not sky-rocket the general standard of lyric-writing (whether Jim Morrison's or Jeff Buckley's or Lennon's or even Zappa's...) ...Dylan created a paridigm for other writers of 'popular music' to such, he has to be regarded as a genius...even if one objects to the dirge-like nasal whining that has been particularly pronounced since about 1978. Dylan's JEWISH as well, if certain people are listening. His real name is Robert Zimmerman. Most of you will know that already...I merely cite Dylan's Jewishness for the benefit of those of a certain philosophical packed lunches...

  • ***** ***** (5/24/2005 6:02:00 PM) Post reply

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    5/23/2005 5: 39: 00 PM
    POEM: The Bum-Herbert Nehrlich

    Okay, Konisberg, you have been found out. You are not only Baxter but (clever you think?) John William Hall. Your writing style......!
    Maybe you can fool some of the people some of the time. But my own Aunt Hulda always used to say 'those who have something to hide are bad people'.
    I am still waiting for you to re-post the message I allegedly sent to you but I think you are too much of a coward. $ 10,000 says the message came from someone we all know, but it ain't me.Are you game?
    Well, no he says, he has neither balls, not brains nor money. The world has conspired against him and won't let him have these things.
    I admit that the Hall thing had me fooled for a time.
    Why don't you visit the desert pooper Carter and both wander off into the sunset.
    One can only hope.

    5/23/2005 5: 25: 00 PM
    POEM: Rebirth-Michael Philips

    Although not invited to comment I take the liberty of the mannerless.
    This is a rather poor effort but I had not expected any better.
    Unlike the likes of desert pooper Carter, I would praise a poem if praise were indicated.

    5/23/2005 2: 50: 00 AM
    POEM: Erwin Was Bent-allan james saywell

    Baxter you have one chance to publicly apologise.

    5/22/2005 9: 14: 00 PM
    POEM: The Bum-Herbert Nehrlich

    Carter how would you like me to post the messages you sent to me?
    They are confirmed by and recorded by management.
    I think the world might want to know what kind of piece you are.

    5/22/2005 5: 18: 00 PM
    POEM: The Bum-Herbert Nehrlich

    Addendum to Koniskong: You talk about taking me to the cleaners and being of German origin.
    Not all Germans can be perfect, some are even revolting specimens. I would count you under the disgraces of the German people. As to you taking me to the cleaners, you are not man enough to even stand on your own feet, you little whimp, let alone accomplish anything of significance.

    5/22/2005 5: 13: 00 PM
    POEM: The Bum-Herbert Nehrlich

    Thank you Chris, but I am afraid that your call for reason will fall on deaf ears. Some people have a persecution complex and they are so consumed by hatred (probably raised that way) that they feel the need to attack, using all methods including criminal ones at their disposal. I am sure you realise that those who have a need to hide their names have good reason to do so. From manipulation of ratings to sending false messages and then being afraid to produce the alleged message from me....... it is not worth wasting the time of decent people with contaminated windbags.

    5/22/2005 5: 06: 00 PM
    POEM: The Bum-Herbert Nehrlich

    Konisberg, YOU calling me filth! Filth would be a nice name for you. Keep your mailbox open, only your filth kind will write you. I do not deal with those who have to hide behind false names.
    Usually criminals have a need for that.
    Your kind contaminate this site, we had no trouble on this site until the filth arrived.If you had a brain you could think about this.

    5/22/2005 8: 18: 00 AM
    POEM: Heaven-Herbert Nehrlich

    Both of you, why don't you jump back into your persecution cocoon and suffocate each other. The world doesn't need malodorous scum.

    5/22/2005 8: 13: 00 AM
    POEM: The Song That Triggers My Memory-Laura Cummings

    The song most likely to fit would be 'Sealed with a Kiss'...

    5/22/2005 8: 11: 00 AM
    POEM: Someone Crush Me-Graham Leese

    On the last line I suggest you change least to 'last'. What do you think?
    Best wishes

    Not one decent, respectful or kind comment.... you absolute excuse for a human being, Herbert... are you capable of being complimentary to anyone other than your homosexual alter-ego... I am so glad I have removed my work from this site.. not to have diseases like you shit all over it anymore. Herbert.. any chance of you publishing any time soon? Doubtful.. EVER..... unless it is a vanity press, sweetie.

  • Andy Konisberg (5/24/2005 5:58:00 PM) Post reply

    I can see Jefferson's point, however.

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