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  • Rookie - 7 Points Max Reif (10/20/2005 1:12:00 PM) Post reply
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    I'm soliciting feedback on 'Autobiographical Fairy Tale', a poem I just posted. Actually, I posted it a couple hours ago before I was done revising it. It sort of went out half-dressed. Now I feel it's ready to be seen; I just re-edited.

    Is it 'too' anything? (Is it 'not enough' anything?) Please put any comments under the poem.

  • Rookie Marcy Jarvis (10/20/2005 12:03:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Speaking of Princeton - Jake, it's satire, right?

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  • Rookie Daniel Tyler (10/20/2005 11:00:00 AM) Post reply | Read 4 replies

    Does anyone think that there are any song lyrics that are good enough to be classed as, or at least evaluated as poetry, or do you think they are entirely separate, with song lyrics never reaching the depth of feeling that poetry can?
    Daniel Tyler

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    • Rookie Michael Shepherd (10/20/2005 3:51:00 PM) Post reply

      I'm age-restricted on recent lyric, which seems to me, in 'commercial' popnrock, to be nudged towards the peddling of one-liners, statements and attitudes to identify with and which don't explore emot ... more

    • Rookie Max Reif (10/20/2005 12:00:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      We were discussing this a little while before you came to the Forum, but since no one's said it here, I'll mention (as I did ad nauseam not long ago) that I would give Bob Dylan a Nobel Prize for Lit ... more

    • Rookie Poetry Hound (10/20/2005 11:48:00 AM) Post reply

      The Last Poets - brazen, in-your-face African American poetry spoken over drum and conga beats, from the early '70s, with poems/songs like 'Wake Up, Niggers! ' and 'The Revolution Will Not Be Televise ... more

    • Rookie Marcy Jarvis (10/20/2005 11:30:00 AM) Post reply

      the ancient to not so ancient poetry, th ... more

  • Rookie - 7 Points Max Reif (10/20/2005 7:28:00 AM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    So many of you chaps are in London. Have any of you ever gotten together at a pub, or anything? Had a reading?

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    • Rookie - 7 Points Poetry Hound (10/20/2005 8:05:00 AM) Post reply

      Sedona would be good. Raynette would like the proximity to her home. But I would have to nominate New York City, the most fabulous place in the world for art of all kinds. If that city doesn't inspir ... more

    • Rookie - 7 Points Michael Shepherd (10/20/2005 7:43:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      It's a well-known fact, Max that the British only seek out each others' company when they're abroad... perhaps a group charter to Bay Area might do the trick...?

    • Rookie - 7 Points Rev. Dr. A. Jacob Hassler (10/20/2005 7:35:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      i'm going to be in london in December to see the Pogues at Brixton Academy!

  • Rookie Michael Shepherd (10/20/2005 4:48:00 AM) Post reply

    Anyone been to the opera Dr Atomic? Has it been on TV?

  • Rookie Herbert Nehrlich1 (10/19/2005 6:21:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    Apologies for my post about the pills below.
    I needed to respond to correct the misinformation (not to mention the misspelling of the two key players) in a message Marcy had posted to warn parents and others.
    It has little to do with poetry but to warn about one danger while introducing and recommending another one may affect the life and health of a potential future poet.

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    • Rookie Michael Shepherd (10/20/2005 4:45:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      Herbert, you might like to complete your useful survey with a comment about aspirin. Some doctors recommend this on the grounds that it is (or should be) extracted from the natural substance of the w ... more

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  • Rookie ***** ***** (10/18/2005 5:41:00 PM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    okay so who has a magic formula for an absent muse that doesn't require alcohol..... (clarification post)


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    • Rookie ***** ***** (10/19/2005 10:46:00 AM) Post reply

      such interesting and varied responses! Thanks for suggestions

    • Rookie Michael Shepherd (10/19/2005 7:14:00 AM) Post reply

      I'd say - when you notice the Muse is attending some other more profitable patient...do whatever is the exact opposite from whatever you're being, doing, thinking, emoting, right now - provided it doe ... more

    • Rookie Herbert Nehrlich1 (10/18/2005 5:44:00 PM) Post reply

      Camomille tea, made from filtered Lourdes water, add two drops of liquor amonii caustici,4 drops of sirupus rubi ideae, one teasponn of cultured buttermilk, a sprig of organic parsley, one capsule of ... more

  • Rookie ***** ***** (10/18/2005 5:13:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Okay so who has a magic formula for an absent muse?

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  • Rookie Marcy Jarvis (10/18/2005 12:33:00 PM) Post reply

    I like this: 'as water
    is the first social fluency
    in any desert: the cistern
    comes later and is an inducement of false power.
    Which makes the thinning sorrow of flight
    the last disjunction, of the heart'

    It has the touch of the surrealists. Max?

  • Rookie - 150 Points Poetry Hound (10/17/2005 5:31:00 PM) Post reply | Read 11 replies

    Question: I’ve noticed that people like Raynette and Uriah, who leave lots of comments on other people’s poems, seem to receive a lot of comments on their poems. Is there a relationship between giving comments and receiving them? I’m not criticizing it, and besides, I think Raynette and Uriah produce some really fine poetry. I’m just wondering, does this kind of unspoken quid pro quo exist, and does it result in people writing comments with the hope or expectation of receiving them? Not that that’s the only reason, or even the main reason, you leave comments, but is it ONE of the reasons?

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    • Rookie - 150 Points Lori Boulard (10/18/2005 10:50:00 AM) Post reply

      I think logically there is, and many of my favorites on this site I may have missed if they hadn't thrown out the first pitch. With so many submissions, unless you post something new with a really ent ... more

    • Rookie - 150 Points Michael Shepherd (10/18/2005 7:21:00 AM) Post reply

      .. and may I add to Andy's posting - I'm really grateful for those of you who mention your 'discoveries' here. I find it difficult to keep up with those whose work I read regularly, and which in these ... more

    • Rookie - 150 Points Raynette Eitel (10/18/2005 12:26:00 AM) Post reply

      Well, since my name is mentioned, perhaps I ought to make some sort of statement. #1: I don't feel I leave more comments on other people's poems than, say, Andrew, John Kay, Nax Reuf or Michael Phill ... more

    • Rookie - 150 Points Max Reif (10/17/2005 10:54:00 PM) Post reply

      Also, I should add, hearing how poems I' ... more

    • Rookie - 150 Points Max Reif (10/17/2005 10:50:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      I do tend to leave comments under poems ... more

    • Rookie - 150 Points Mary Nagy (10/17/2005 7:02:00 PM) Post reply

      One more thought.......I have to say I h ... more

    • Rookie - 150 Points Mary Nagy (10/17/2005 5:58:00 PM) Post reply

      **just to add**The number rating is anot ... more

    • Rookie - 150 Points Mary Nagy (10/17/2005 5:52:00 PM) Post reply

      I absolutely think the two are related. ... more

    • Rookie - 150 Points Herbert Nehrlich1 (10/17/2005 5:37:00 PM) Post reply

      Yes. H

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