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  • Aidan Ross (6/5/2005 7:38:00 AM) Post reply Stage

    Chris, I would like to submit my poem 'Why' to your competition, also I think you would probably like 'Global Psychosis' and maybe 'Birth of Despair'

  • Aidan Ross (6/5/2005 6:39:00 AM) Post reply Stage

    It looks like 'Beauty Imposes' is about the wonders we percive of Beauty and also its true irrevalance.

    BTW I am not a proffesionall poet I am just a teenager who wrote a few poems, during one particularly unusual February

  • Aidan Ross (6/5/2005 6:35:00 AM) Post reply Stage

    Sorry to bother you all but I would just like to say that I am thankful for the responses to my poems on this site and that I am still awaiting comments on 'Guilt' and 'I am what I am, What am I'

  • Venessa Callia (6/5/2005 6:13:00 AM) Post reply Stage

    I need to know if anyone has read the poem called 'Beauty imposes' by John Shaw Neilson and if you can give me your interpretation of the poem.

  • Venessa Callia (6/5/2005 6:01:00 AM) Post reply Stage

    who knows John Shaw Neilson? He is an Australian poet.

  • Allan James Saywell (6/4/2005 10:32:00 PM) Post reply Stage

    sorry mister snow just my black sense of humour, maybe a rush of blood
    as you say i have no quarrel with you, i am humble in my sorrow

  • Poetry Hound (6/4/2005 1:44:00 PM) Post reply Stage

    Wow, thanks Andrew. I think I maybe kinda sorta get it.

  • Lamont Palmer (6/4/2005 12:45:00 PM) Post reply | Read 3 replies Stage

    I, in the spirit of helpfulness, rewrote a poem for JC in order to illustrate what I felt was a lack of music in his version. The first is JC's version, the second is my own. I didnt add anything or put my own spin on his idea, I merely did a little cutting and rearranging. Its also a nice reflection of varying styles of writing...sort of a microcosm of the Modernist/Post-Modernist debate.


    Lightning


    Four a.m., the hour when
    depressives can't go back
    to sleep. I'm stroking the cat
    who's buzzing beside me
    in the dark, static electricity
    crackling under my hand.

    I imagine myself in a meadow,
    lying there like one of those
    minor 18th-century Bedlamites
    who listens to them call
    his name as he watches the
    heat lightning beyond the hills.

    ****

    Lightning



    Four AM, when depressives cannot sleep,
    I stroke my cat who buzzes near me
    in the darkness; static electricity attacks my hand.

    I am lying in a meadow of rolling green, or so my mind tells me,
    like one of those minor 18th century Bedlamites;
    listening, listening, to those who call his name,
    watching heated lightning beyond the hills.

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    • Sue Casey (6/5/2005 8:21:00 PM) Post reply Stage

      JC, I wouldn't have normally brought the subject up! Except what you both describe is obviously a manic phase. Hmmm let me see if I can help enlighten you a little.... This would be my slightl ... more

    • Michael Shepherd (6/5/2005 5:16:00 PM) Post reply Stage

      Sorry, Lamont, but I find your 'version'to be like a prose 'explanation'of JC's poem, which does not present the images to the eye as well as the mind, and contains at least three grammatical errors, ... more


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  • Raynette Eitel (6/4/2005 10:05:00 AM) Post reply Stage

    Oh, in reviewin this message, I noticed that I had left out the names of our current and last poet laureate, Ted Kooser and Billy Collins. They are worth reading, in my estimation.

  • Poetry Hound (6/3/2005 9:11:00 AM) Post reply Stage

    For those who may have missed this in the Parekh flood, there was this gem of a poem by new member Kate Murray. Sorry about the length, but I thought folks might enjoy it.

    Come, fickle Muse, ungracious Bitch

    Come, fickle Muse, ungracious Bitch,
    Sing to me of the anger which
    Rifles the broken heart for words
    And leaves it prey to dogs and birds.

    Let them take what they will take,
    I still spit venom for your sake,
    Regurgitating vicious verse
    Each time things go from bad to worse.

    Claiming direct descent from Lust
    And his uncomely spouse, Disgust
    (the chance of some adultery
    with Indolence and Vanity

    Exists) , it is my chief delight
    To perpetrate in all men’s sights
    Anthologies of sins, and hei-
    nous acts of carnal poetry.

    Youth naked in the beckoning bed,
    The Bitch is waiting to be fed:
    Come, come, and come, and try your luck:
    All she needs is one good f***.

    The ones before you failed (they tried)
    To keep her three mouths occupied:
    The ruse that served Ulysses well
    When he got out alive from Hell.

    The way is long, the way is steep,
    And at its foot the pit is deep:
    Fall, foolish bugger, be my guest,
    Assume the pose my Muse loves best:

    Buffoon of the eternal farce
    Spread-eagled, with your upturned arse
    Exhibited for all to see
    In Catherine Murray’s poetry.

    A score and six of years like these
    (Filled mostly with depravities)
    Defame my Muse to not a few:
    But when she says “Pay up! ” I do.

    Painters of the Madonna make
    Her set her foot upon a snake,
    But my lubricious Muse is wise
    And breaks its back between her thighs.

    Likewise the Virgin in the yarn
    Receives devotion in a barn:
    Going one better, my barren Muse
    Plunks backward on the straw and screws.

    Rage and revulsion lace the art
    Of us she treasures in her heart,
    Our dearest gift, that while you curse
    Our acts, our Lady, or our verse,

    We slip the latch and break the gate
    To all that you abominate,
    Stoke up your heart to fog your head
    And drag you by the balls to bed.

    Better to give the bitch her due:
    As Ovid and Catullus knew,
    And Sophocles, and Sigmund Freud,
    She isn’t gentle when annoyed.

    (1980)

    Kate Murray

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