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  • Poetry Hound (5/21/2005 6:16:00 AM) Post reply Stage

    This is the age-old argument that Lamont is making. Sure, Whitman might puke at the sight of Sharon Olds' poetry. And Brahams would puke at Charlie Parker, and Rembrandt would puke at Warhol, and on and on it goes. Not to stifle discussion, but at some point this all becomes intellectual hogwash. Sharon Olds writes things that are clever, unusual, and striking and that penetrate the surface and touch me on a deeper level. You want the word 'poetry' confined to certain kinds of poems? Fine. We can call her work 'mini-prose.' Doesn't matter. Who cares if she writes in full sentences or not? What matters is that it's art. Really fine art, imho. No offense meant.

  • John William Hall (5/20/2005 11:10:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

    Yes Allan, it is my real name, registered with the administration. I assume yours is real as well and have noticed that there are some who are afraid or ashamed to use their real identities, why I wonder?
    I have now read over 50 % of your work, are you published somewhere?
    JW

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  • John William Hall (5/20/2005 7:32:00 PM) Post reply Stage

    Test Message only

  • Mary Charlotte Hughes (5/20/2005 8:52:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies Stage

    Does anyone know anything about the poet Yusef Komunyakaa? I'm doing a report on him for my Englsih class. Thanks for any help!

    ~Mary

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    • Michael Shepherd (5/20/2005 3:37:00 PM) Post reply Stage

      .. and on his page on this poemhunter site with some more poems, if you click the 'books' button, you'll find some lengthy critiques of his several books which are interesting reading in themselves.. ... more

    • Michael Shepherd (5/20/2005 11:07:00 AM) Post reply Stage

      Jeez! don't you guys know how to Google - where you'll find about 20 of his poems, essays about him, recordings... nice guy.

  • mother baxter (5/20/2005 12:55:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

    little scotty you have a spelling error in your outburst against some one
    who is old the word is remain not reamin

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  • Michael Shepherd (5/19/2005 6:08:00 PM) Post reply Stage

    JC, I'm with you there. Most of the 'music' choices are deliberate; sometimes they just sing themselves onto the line - all too rarely ! Just one line like that today.
    Just at the moment I'm intrigued as to whether the line breaks aren't visual as well as 'heard' on screen. I rather suspect a bit of both. Music in the line; anticipation at the end of it.
    I'm also intrigued as to whether the iambic pentameter is the default line for american free verse poets?

  • Twirlycrack Mcgoobernuts (5/19/2005 3:26:00 PM) Post reply Stage

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  • Michael Shepherd (5/19/2005 5:27:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

    Lamont, I assume you're not a teacher of poetry; they have to engage with students at their own level. If you're going to be so dismissive, I think you owe it to us to explain your criteria. What is 'music' in poetry to you?
    It seems to me from my superficial reading, that American poetry is doing exactly what you condemn - becoming more like the definition that is now commonly given to free verse - 'prose with enhanced consciousness'. You clearly still hear the music. But if rhyme, and lyric, and the metaphysical with its soaring ecstasies, are all put out of the ballpark, what's left? I would say, the 'music' of prose. I'm currently reading Kooser's 'Local Wonders' which is entirely 'prose' yet so beautiful in its writing that every few lines could be half a poem. Don't the prose writer and the poet meet in this 'music'?
    The Greek origin of the word is in thinking and contemplating- as is the origin of the word 'mystic'. If I read a poem which comes from the heart, and from contemplation of its theme, and whose words are chosen with a 'poetic' discrimination not to jar with its presentation (I agree with JC about those two words in James Mills' poem which 'disappointed' me more than just jarred) - and a poem which most of all, if it's descriptive, makes me feel I am right there with the writer - than for me there is something between being called 'music' and 'not unmusic'...
    A master like Auden can write a lyric which is deeply serious as well as being amusing, and musical, such as 'Tell Me About Love'. I wonder if what we define as 'music' isn't ultimately the sound of the poet's very self, which we hear or don't hear. I wouldn't myself, on that score, dismiss either Jerry or Jimmy as being without music. Nor is Bukowski, in a poem like 'A Certain Smile' which sears my heart, without his own music in his 'best' work.

    So where does that 'music' rest? Over to you!

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    • Poetry Hound (5/19/2005 11:10:00 AM) Post reply Stage

      I think defining the 'music' of a free verse poem is elusive. You can point to things like use of alliterations or a pattern of accented and unaccented syllables. But ultimately it's hard to break dow ... more

  • mother baxter (5/19/2005 3:56:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

    oh i love discussion without exclusion, but can you match it with a redcoat
    i'm the new wonder boy larry redcoat

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  • Sunny Albright (5/19/2005 1:28:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

    Hello all. I've been told this is the place to be for the good discussions!

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