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  • Rookie Raynette Eitel (7/20/2005 1:04:00 PM) Post reply
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    My comment about people gravitating to what they most understand and connect with had nothing to do about good poetry. There are those of us (not everyone) who enjoy a good challenge, whether in poetry or prose. Others just want to sit and be entertained or validated in some way. Just because a poem is steeped in philosophy or brilliance doesn't necessarily make it 'good writing.' Lamont's poetry is good writing because of his vast, sweeping metaphors as well as the way he makes his experiences with life universal. Many won't want to work hard enough to experience the fullness of his poetry (or T.S. Eliot or Whitman or Plath...) Those who want a more passive experience with poetry can laugh or cry or nod and say, 'That's exactly how I feel' without having to piece it out. Both kinds of poetry have something to offer the reader and we don't have to say which is better.

  • Rookie - 7 Points Max Reif (7/19/2005 8:43:00 PM) Post reply

    But I still feel we need to be careful about 'one size fits all' definitions. The analogy of astrology came to my mind this afternoon. Astrology's a useful metaphor because it's a shorthand for talking about the different basic, psychic 'hard-wiring' people have. One person will only be effective writing passionate poems just this side of screams-controlled screams, in fact-while another, with a more philosophical bent, will be at his/her best turning things around the way Lamont does.

    I'm not sure that it needs to be a problem unless we make it one. We'll all have our tempermental favorites, of course...The discipline, as with marriage, may be in embracing the OPPOSITE of what one is tempermentally comfortable with. There might be a case to be made that that's how one grows, as in a marriage partnership, for example.

    I guess I'm presenting something along the lines of the Jungian idea that each of us has a 'shadow' that we need to assimilate before really being whole. And if another poet's style or vantage point irritates us, some might say it's because that person is living out a part of our shadow, and the irritation might be putting us on notice to integrate that disowned side into our own conscious personality.

  • Rookie - 782 Points Jerry Hughes (7/19/2005 5:31:00 PM) Post reply

    I note, with disdain, the cockroaches who scurried back into the sewer when Poem Hunter appointed a mediator have crawled back, in different guises, but using the same tediously boring cliches to insult one another.
    C'est la vie?

  • Rookie Allan James Saywell (7/19/2005 3:37:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    some of us understand poetry Jc some dont you have to feel poetry you
    have to feel what you write not just give birth to a lot of words out of the dictionary and put it on a page, it wont work easy rider

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    • Rookie Max Reif (7/19/2005 4:23:00 PM) Post reply

      Thought I'd posted this a little while ago, but don't see it: Do poets still take seriously Wordsworth's dictum on poetry as 'emotion recollected in tranquility'? That covers both sides-feeling and, ... more

  • Rookie - 7 Points Max Reif (7/19/2005 8:57:00 AM) Post reply | Read 5 replies

    I notice some of my best poems, or the ones I feel are the best, have no comments and/or low ratings. Yet I still feel they're some of my best. Anyone else have that kind of experience?

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    • Rookie - 7 Points Max Reif (7/19/2005 3:29:00 PM) Post reply

      Interesting discussion. Thanks, everyone!

    • Rookie - 7 Points Richard George (7/19/2005 2:58:00 PM) Post reply

      Absolutely, Max - one of mine that's in my book Vertigo Swimming and was published in a good place in U.K. small press got 6 marks ALL of 1 out of 10. (I chickened out and deleted it) . Bear in mind, ... more

    • Rookie - 7 Points Casey Rock (7/19/2005 10:49:00 AM) Post reply

      I think that many people prefer just to read a poem and move on to the next. I, for one, often feel like reading poetry without dissecting, rating, or passing a judgement on it (at least where everyon ... more

    • Rookie - 7 Points Raynette Eitel (7/19/2005 10:36:00 AM) Post reply

      I notice the same thing, but that's the ... more


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  • Rookie allan james saywell (7/19/2005 1:21:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    IT APPEARS A FEW POETS ARE ENTERING AN EARLY SENILITY AND ARE CONFUSING ME WITH AJS WHAT IN GODS NAME GAVE YOU THAT IDEA, I DONT MIND I COULD USE THE PUBLICITY

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    • Rookie Albert E. Neumann (7/19/2005 3:29:00 AM) Post reply

      No need to shout old man...we can read your pitiful offerings just as easily in lower case.


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  • Rookie allan james saywell (7/18/2005 4:53:00 PM) Post reply

    carter does the JC REALLY STAND FOR(ARE YOU REALLY HIM)

  • Rookie - 7 Points Max Reif (7/18/2005 8:38:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    It can get a bit intense here. A person could conceivably spend 24 hours every day writing, posting, critiquing, and discussing poems on this site. I'm finding it to be an addiction. The process certainly 'cures writer's block', but I feel it messing with my mind. I'm not blaming anyone, it's my own addictive personality. Anyone else ever get similarly affected?

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    • Rookie - 7 Points Michael Shepherd (7/18/2005 11:30:00 AM) Post reply

      Ho yes.. I was thinking just the same thing this morning, as I logged on here, wishing I were writing a poem instead...then guess what? I read another poet, and bingo! I tuned in to something in their ... more

    • Rookie - 7 Points Raynette Eitel (7/18/2005 10:48:00 AM) Post reply

      I, too, find this site addictive. I am fascinated by poets from all over the world having needs for comments and (perhaps) help. I am happy to get comments from such a diverse group of poets. And y ... more

  • Rookie allan james saywell (7/18/2005 7:48:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    shepard why dont you go back to herding sheep, you are good at it i am a free man
    i dont have to be directed by you on what and what not to do how i present my poetry is my business, maybe i need a place to hide from busybodies like you

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  • Rookie Robert Rorabeck (7/18/2005 12:41:00 AM) Post reply | Read 4 replies

    For some reason Poetry Hunter wont recognize any of my poems plus it deleted all my poems from my homepage, yet still recognizes their titles.... very strange- Has anyone checked out Casey Rock's poetry yet? This poet is very, very good.

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