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  • Allan James Saywell (4/9/2005 5:57:00 AM) Post reply

    yes ellen speak to me

  • Michael Shepherd (4/9/2005 4:49:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    This is a sorta public statement, since I feel this site is being ruined for the many by the few.

    It is a well-established phenomenon of chat-groups on the web, that they can get taken over by a small group of regulars, who for lack of more mature topics, bicker in public among themselves. Then when any newcomer with some integrity or firm views on anything at all joins the site, they proceed to 'bait' them with mulltiple personalities.
    I have done this myself, taking on the role of a 20-year-old black boy on a macho American site - I had great fun for a week or so swopping unrestrained abuse with nigger-haters, until I realised that they, too, were working off aspects of their characters they didn't entirely believe in. And I found that this unrestrained abuse was beginning to seep into my 'real' character.

    My theory is that we are all potential novelists. If we wrote novels, there would be 'goodies' and 'baddies' in it, and we'd have some fun making the baddies as 'real'as we could, from our inner resources!

    The internet has this interesting ability to allow us to turn these 'baddies' loose to live a 'virtual life' in a net group. So for me, there's a Herbert whose verse stories are inventive and appreciated; and a Herbert who writes some of the most revolting abuse I've ever seen posted. There's an Allen whose outspokenness is appreciated by younger readers, and who could be the Ginsberg or the Bukowski of Australia if he addressed himself to the national scene around him instead of his own inner turmoil; and an Allen who scrawls the most childish abuse over every clean surface like a graffiti moron. There's a Sandra who could build a reputation as a woman poet, and the Sandra who takes personal offence. There's the Janice who writes gentle, thoughtful poems, and the Janice who lends herself to this petty squabbling. There's the Paul who would dearly like to make a contribution to making an urban sink of iniquity into something more livable in, and the Paul who grew up a streetfighter.

    In short, we're all better at handing it out than taking it!

    It requires that we all recognise this 'split personality' in ourselves as 'novelists', and simply keep the poetry postings quite separate from our personality squabbles. And stop inventing multiple personalities, which simply muddy the water and demean our own self-esteem. It is simply disgusting to invent a Nigerian or Chinese or other national pseudo-self and put up poetry to be judged as such. Of course people are going to judge it differently.

    At the moment, these squabbles are being perpetuated just like such as the Palestine-Israeli conflict - using the 'enemy's' past iniquities to justify further acts of aggression, suppression and revenge.

    All I ask is that the poetry columns are kept for poetry, the forum for what it says it's for at the top of this column - and if you wish to unleash your 'baddy' from your unwritten novel on the virtual world, OK go ahead and make it wittily irresistible - but please keep it to the private message columns OK and don't show it off in public?

    Otherwise, how will any of us improve our poetry, let alone gain an audience among the very many who now read or join this admirable site with its admirable aims -or indeed, our characters?

    Sensible responses to this comment would be appreciated - my friends!

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    • Scarborough Gypsy (4/9/2005 9:15:00 AM) Post reply

      Michael, That was quite brilliant. I agree with everything you said. Thankyou for speaking on behalf of the majority on this site. Kind regards Gypsy

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  • Allan James Saywell (4/9/2005 4:03:00 AM) Post reply

    hello is anybody home, i hope you havn't been drinking, i cant stand drunks

  • Scarborough Gypsy (4/9/2005 12:05:00 AM) Post reply

    Oh I get it. Are there two Allan James S's? Is someone else using the same name or does Allan have dual personalities? Can the real Allan please stand up?

  • Allan James Saywell (4/8/2005 11:01:00 PM) Post reply


  • Allan James Saywell (4/8/2005 10:35:00 PM) Post reply

    yes i dont no what is happening, people will do anything these days
    there certainly is some crazy people about

  • Scarborough Gypsy (4/8/2005 7:57:00 PM) Post reply

    Dear Allan,

    I don’t understand the comment that you left for me under “Different Shoes”. I have no idea what you are talking about. If there is some constructive criticism in there or advice, please explain it in plain English and not some cryptic message. I wrote that poem from the heart. It was supposed to convey a message of how I felt about people judging others. If I did not succeed in getting that message across in my poem, then I did not achieve what I had set out to do. I do not appreciate being sworn at or the uses of swear words in our comment boxes. Please show me the same respect that I show all members on this site and don’t include me in your petty games.


  • Allan James Saywell (4/8/2005 6:54:00 PM) Post reply

    hello good morning, is everybody well

  • Poetry Hound (4/8/2005 5:33:00 PM) Post reply

    I am not confused at all. I find it suspicious that you only criticize certain people on this site, not a word about this latest deception by Janice aka 'Diane Utteridge' or the smarmy behavor of Herbert-Allan-Janice-Sandra. Now why would that be?

  • Sylvia Spencer (4/8/2005 5:27:00 PM) Post reply

    Well, Well, Well I thought you would have had more sense as so to cofuse me with different people, and you my dear sir are the bigest culprit. this is surposed to be a poetry site (with the love of) what is the matter, why is every one at one anothers throats. this is more like 'The Gunfight at The OK Coral' than poemhunter.com.Come on now, your a man with a mission, get this site to as it was or is this your favouret hobby, making people leave the site because of what the forum does to them.I am sorry PH but this site has lost so many good poets of the chat in the forum it should not be allowed.

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