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  • Jefferson Carter (6/23/2014 10:40:00 AM) Post reply | Read 6 replies Stage

    OK, Lamont, Professor Plum, and all you lovers of formal poetry exhumed from the grave, here's a free verse poem as good as any closed form poem by Shelley or even Keats. If you don't agree, you have ears of tin and a mind of dust:

    by Galway Kinnell

    The bud
    stands for all things,
    even for those things that don’t flower,
    for everything flowers, from within, of self-blessing;
    though sometimes it is necessary
    to reteach a thing its loveliness,
    to put a hand on its brow
    of the flower
    and retell it in words and in touch
    it is lovely
    until it flowers again from within, of self-blessing;
    as Saint Francis
    put his hand on the creased forehead
    of the sow, and told her in words and in touch
    blessings of earth on the sow, and the sow
    began remembering all down her thick length,
    from the earthen snout all the way
    through the fodder and slops to the spiritual curl of the tail,
    from the hard spininess spiked out from the spine
    down through the great broken heart
    to the sheer blue milken dreaminess spurting and shuddering
    from the fourteen teats into the fourteen mouths sucking and blowing beneath them:
    the long, perfect loveliness of sow.

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    • delilah contrapunctal (6/24/2014 6:26:00 AM) Post reply Stage

      aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.......shines lovely, lovely.........

    • Frank Ovid (6/23/2014 9:29:00 PM) Post reply Stage

      @Peter, I see it the opposite. Shelley doesn't present his material any better than Kinnell does. Kinnell's might be better. The question remains, do you get BONUS points because you pulled it off in ... more

    • Lamont Palmer (6/23/2014 3:39:00 PM) Post reply Stage

      Not to mention it has a decidedly strong iambic flavor. That's the way free verse used to look. So you're merely proving my point - its difficult to find decent free verse poetry after 1990, and certa ... more

    • Lamont Palmer (6/23/2014 2:58:00 PM) Post reply Stage

      Nice poem, but you didn't live up to the ... more

    • Paul Butters (6/23/2014 12:05:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

      You are preaching to the converted here. ... more

    • Professor Plum (6/23/2014 11:10:00 AM) Post reply Stage

      Damn, if you didn't get pretty close.

  • Paul Butters (6/23/2014 4:04:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies Stage

    One to enjoy. Not looking for a critique. Consider it a commercial break -

    “Excitement 2”

    My head feels dull.
    Not even “comfortably numb”.
    No mood for rhyme
    Yet must cast my soul
    Back through time.

    No more rhyme.
    Just cast my mind back.
    Seek that spark.
    Call out my Muse.
    Be inspired.

    Excitement shines
    Like a billion suns.
    The merest touch
    My every nerve.

    Magical mysteries
    Unveil themselves.
    Brilliant, fluttering butterflies
    Flash and flicker
    Those rainbow colours and more.

    Deep inspiration.
    Adrenaline rush.
    Electrical discharge.
    Cascading sweat.

    Thunder-drummed tornadoes.
    Lightning storms.
    Rose tinged dawns,
    And silver-ghosted Moons.

    Inspirational volcanoes
    Of Muse-blown delight.
    That’s how it was,
    To be in Love.

    Paul Butters

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    • Alexander Rizzo (6/23/2014 9:16:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

      seriously kind sir, if you're not looking for a critque, you really shouldnt post the poem. whats the point?merely for our reading 'pleasure'?just sayin

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  • Linda Ori (6/22/2014 2:56:00 PM) Post reply | Read 3 replies Stage

    What's with the running adds right in the middle of the poems on our pages?So annoying! At least they could run them along the side of the page, but definitely not right in the middle of the poem format - YEESH!

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    • Frank Ovid (6/22/2014 9:11:00 PM) Post reply Stage

      Worse than that is the " artwork" and the music that they play along with it. Uck!

    • Jefferson Carter (6/22/2014 4:08:00 PM) Post reply Stage

      Well, Linda, in some cases it's an improvement, even making the poems seem a little avant-gardish....

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  • Gangadharan Nair Pulingat (6/22/2014 2:33:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies Stage

    I got an opportunity to read the Ozymandias" the great poem written by P]B]Shelly the great English poet. It is a great poem that I experienced in its contents and coverage of subject the human predicament. Whatever the power and positions one gains it is limited and he is also to be gone forever from the world as the character of ozymandias in the poem and I amused it very much.

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    • Professor Plum (6/22/2014 4:02:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

      'Ozymandias' is a great poem. Much better than any contemporary poem. What makes it so good is all the rhythm and rhymes it has. So much rhythm. So many rhymes. Boggles the mind, really. I'm sitting d ... more

    • Paul Butters (6/22/2014 4:32:00 AM) Post reply Stage

      " Ode to the West Wind" is another poem by Shelley that is well worth reading. Enjoy.

  • Bull Hawking (6/21/2014 6:05:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

    A quote by William Hazlitt posted as a reply:

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    • Bull Hawking (6/21/2014 6:15:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

      From a splendid essay, " On Reading Old Books" : I do not think altogether worse of a book for having survived the author a generation or two. I have more confidence in the dead than th ... more

  • Mike Acker (6/21/2014 4:54:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage


    A boy sits at the edge of his abyss.
    Close by, a girl waves, and smiles
    through her darkness. Her tiny feet
    struggle to keep her head afloat.
    He smiles back, expressing his tales and torments.
    Their eyes reflect only in the other's.

    Silent swells sync their souls and hide her face,
    but he waits forever, and she reappears,
    no more and no less than before. She will not
    swim to him, for mermaids no longer roam.
    He can not fly to her, since men do not soar.
    She will sink, as surely as he shall fall.

    Mike Acker

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    • Professor Plum (6/21/2014 5:22:00 PM) Post reply Stage

      There's a lot to like about this poem. A little strange, but that's right down my alley.

  • Paul Butters (6/21/2014 1:57:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

    Odd. This morning I posted a message (quote actually) promoting constructive criticism. Did I press the wrong button?Or was it censured?Strange. I would assert that constructive criticism is good practice here. Poets need to be praised and supported for all good work but maybe be given some pointers towards improvement. Nuff Said.

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  • Lamint Polmer (6/20/2014 11:04:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

    Give it up Palmer. You can't hide behind Ovid much longer.

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    • Frank Ovid (6/20/2014 12:08:00 PM) Post reply Stage

      I'm not Palmer. You know who I am. You like my circus poem?I love it! Who writes poems about The Biggie Circus?You know who.

  • Jefferson Carter (6/20/2014 10:36:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

    Tony, what do you say to someone who thinks his poems aren't any good? You ask him what poets is he reading. The usual (and honest) answer is none though he did read some Shakespeare and Keats in high school but doesn't read any modern or contemporary poets. The you can ask why he wants to write poetry. The usual (and honest) answer has something to do with the cries of his unique soul, the need to express his innermost feelings, the desire to be seen as a " poet, " not necessarily to write good poems. Then you can say stop writing for a year or so and immerse yourself in the best modern poets. Then, if you still have that itch to write poetry, find a good teacher or join a poetry writing group and give it a dedicated shot.

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    • Peter Stavropoulos (6/20/2014 5:00:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies Stage

      Jefferson, from your experience are there any drawbacks to stopping writing for a year for a creative artist?Also, if the desire to be a poet doesn't come from a desire to write good poems then why wr ... more

  • Frank Ovid (6/20/2014 10:24:00 AM) Post reply | Read 3 replies Stage

    They Traveled With the Biggie Circus

    She was perched on top of an
    eight foot stepladder.

    I fumbled with my wooden
    Clown stilts, wanting more.

    I wasn't wearing my face paint, and
    She wasn't wearing bra.

    We were finally eye to eye under
    The Big Top sobbing each other.

    She asked why I didn't love her.
    I told her it was complicated.

    The lions were snoring as they
    Slept in their cages.

    Roadies smoked cigarettes, and
    Scratched the dirt with sticks.

    She stood up on the top rung of the
    Ladder wanting to fly.

    I made awkward attempts to get
    Closer to her sorrow.

    The crowd became agitated,
    And some even threw fruit.

    It just wasn't going to work out.
    Too many holes in this ground.

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    • Mindy Brown (6/21/2014 9:08:00 AM) Post reply Stage

      Great contrast between the spectacular show that should be love and the ordinary, mundane, seemingly unimportant goings on of life around us. All the beauty and once charming traits he saw in her no l ... more

    • Lamont Palmer (6/20/2014 1:33:00 PM) Post reply Stage

      I like this, the light touch mixed with the poetic. -LP

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