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  • Freshman - 1,187 Points Mike Acker (9/20/2014 5:05:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies
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    'Palmer" , I thought it would be interesting to see who these " supportive critics" of yours are. Just like I thought, the first one, Patricia Grantham, has quite a ways to go before we can qualify her as a legitimate critic. Here is an example of her poetry:

    Child's Play
    by Patricia Grantham

    When the children goes outside to play
    So happy just to see a brand new day
    They're color blind in each and every way
    In love and peace or come whatever may

    Love can come in all kinds of shade
    Like the hues sparkling from the rainbow
    In the image of God is how we are made
    Called the human race that we all know

    After running or playing hide and go seek
    Hungry, tired they're all humble and meek
    Learning from them we can unite as one
    Child's play goes on until the day is done

    Moving on....

    by Heather Wilkins(Burns)

    of you
    entice me

    into your

    You haunt
    with your

    I phantom

    Need I say more???

    I don't want to embarrass anyone else. My issues are with your lack of talent, but you drew them into this.

    Just face it Palmer, after 45 years of reading and writing poetry, you should be further along

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    • Freshman - 1,187 Points Laughing@ You (9/23/2014 10:15:00 AM) Post reply

      Acker, your poetry is as embarrassing as your comments. Yawn!

    • Freshman - 1,187 Points John Westlake (9/21/2014 3:12:00 AM) Post reply

      You know you should not be being so childish. Other people's poetry does not belong to you. You could end up getting kicked off site for that kind of behaviour.

  • Rookie - 759 Points Lamont Palmer (9/20/2014 1:56:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    'Acker', is there anyone who is trying to create mediorce poetry?If a poet isn't trying to pen great poems, he shouldn't be writing at all. No, you may not get there, but you should be making attempts. If my poems strike you as 'efforts' at greatness, then you are unwittingly saying that you see remnants there of that effort. I certainly cannot say I see that effort in you, as your poems strike me as lazy and slack. And by the way, you didn't post the comments on that poem. I'll take their opinions over yours, as what they say mirrors the effect I was striving for. In other words, they got it. Thanks for the 'critique', such as it was. -LP

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    Patricia Grantham (9/7/2013 7: 51: 00 AM)
    A very refreshing poem. We can never get rid of the inner child
    that lies in us. It keeps us feeling alive and youthful whenever we
    choose to act that way. Enjoyed the fantasy. (Report) Reply

    Heather Wilkins (8/3/2013 12: 31: 00 PM)
    love this one. we all have inner children (Report) Reply

    Michael Morgan (8/2/2013 3: 22: 00 PM)
    Deserves the 10. Very fresh. MM (Report) Reply

    Dave Walker (7/31/2013 2: 56: 00 PM)
    A great poem, like it. (Report) Reply

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  • Freshman - 1,187 Points Mike Acker (9/20/2014 11:29:00 AM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    @Lamont Palmer

    Being desperate to write without the triteness you mentioned, I went, well, poem-hunting. I ran across this " original" piece. I can't for the life of me recall the name of the writer. Maybe he(or she) can step forward and claim authorship.
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    Peter Principle
    (not written by me, thank god)

    It’s a complete fantasy.
    A fantasy of a fantasy, =(cliched, and trite all at the same time)
    A generalization of yellow =(it is clear here that poet was seeking originality and when none would come naturally, he created it artificially! Originality can't be manufactured)
    Open roses.

    We’ve said things with aplomb, ideas =(big word for Big Bird, falls flat and heavy..where is the music, Palmer?)
    Centering around hope and urges:
    (me getting under your sun dress,
    you getting under my skin) =(to me these side comments you include in your poems are silly and show a clear lack of maturity on the part of the poet)

    And all for naught, all under the assumption
    That you and I are wondrous
    Exceptions, to turn around what needs to be

    Turned, the isolation of shooting stars.
    Such silliness I thought I’d left behind; such
    Are inner children, caught in J.M. Barrie’s tale.
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    I will say with honesty that your soul is not that of a poet, but rather a pompous a$$, desperately yearning to produce " great" poetry.

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    • Freshman - 1,187 Points Lamont Palmer (9/20/2014 6:59:00 PM) Post reply

      Its your 'opinion' the poem failed. Others liked it. Considering I don't respect your opinion, its a moot point. -LP

    • Freshman - 1,187 Points Mike Acker (9/20/2014 5:10:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

      When the poem fails, you call it playful. You have an excuse for everything, I guess.

    • Freshman - 1,187 Points Lamont Palmer (9/20/2014 2:55:00 PM) Post reply

      Yes, that was a playful poem. That's pretty obvious. Your problem is, you don't recognize wordplay and inventiveness. You're too busy trying to make maudlin points. -LP

  • Freshman - 1,187 Points Mike Acker (9/20/2014 3:34:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Broken Wombs(as reply)

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    • Freshman - 1,187 Points Mike Acker (9/20/2014 3:34:00 AM) Post reply

      Broken Wombs Where does it lie? Does it lie here, or there? It lies where it lies; neither ahead nor behind. It lies inside my eyes, it lies inside the flies. It lies in mirages of oases ... more

  • Rookie - 546 Points Frank Ovid (9/19/2014 9:38:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    I'm trying to decide between CougarLife.com and DateRussians.com. Both look very interesting. Has anyone tried these websites?You know, give me a little advice.

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  • Rookie - 589 Points Jefferson Carter (9/19/2014 9:07:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Lamont, I really don't help from Acker. I just want you to answer three questions: 1) That old but unanswerable chestnut, what is poetry? You keep saying I defy definitions everyone else agrees on, but such definitions don't exist. If, as you suggested, " The Great Gatsby" were broken into lines, what essential quality would keep it from being poetry? 2) What do you mean by music? Strict meter? Alliteration?Rhyme? Music has to do with sound, with form, not content. Why is one rhythm better than another? Why are you so hung up on iambic meter?Doesn't every line have rhythm of some sort? 3) You've said the more " formal poetic devices" a poet uses, the better the poem. I know the plain style eschews rhyme and strict meter, but don't the best plain-spoken poets use such figures of speech as similes and metaphors?

    I've been thinking about why I dislike so many plain-style poems I've been reading lately. You're going to faint, but I agree the plain style has fostered the worst kind of flat, uninteresting verse. The chopped-into-lines personal memoirs I hate are prosaic, not because they lack music (though the music supplied by lines breaks in the hands of a good poet like Williams is both subtle and expressive and is absent from the works I despise) but because they lack vivid, precise imagery and original, profound figures of speech; it's their content that sucks, not so much their form.

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    • Rookie - 589 Points Lamont Palmer (9/20/2014 8:52:00 AM) Post reply

      JC, I didn't faint, but you just proved you knew what the heck I was talking about all the time. Your grudging admission (I feel like an attorney breaking down a witness on the stand) about the failu ... more

  • Rookie - 546 Points Frank Ovid (9/19/2014 8:50:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    I just went to a poem by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow and I noticed there was an icon to " Edit Poem" . I clicked it and did a little " cleaning up" for " The Wad" (what his close friends refer to him as) . Yeah, I noticed the poem needed some work, so I helped him out. I changed a few lines around. Not much.

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  • Freshman - 1,187 Points Mike Acker (9/19/2014 5:19:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies


    Figures dance, as dark shadows against
    silk shrouds. Some charge, chase, and chivy,
    others are felled, fleeced and flitched

    What fate awaits me?Is it
    the figurine, or just a black
    silhouette against the shrewd silk screen?

    Mike Acker

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    • Freshman - 1,187 Points Mike Acker (9/20/2014 11:23:00 AM) Post reply

      Being desperate to write without the triteness you mentioned, I went, well, poem-hunting. I ran across this " original" piece. I can't for the life of me recall the name of the writer. Ma ... more

    • Freshman - 1,187 Points Lamont Palmer (9/20/2014 9:13:00 AM) Post reply

      'Dark Shadows' was a TV show back in the 70's. But even before then, 'dark shadows' was still a terrible cliché. 'What fate awaits me'?So melodramatic, 'Acker'. You've got the soul of a poet, but you ... more

  • Freshman - 1,187 Points Mike Acker (9/19/2014 4:54:00 PM) Post reply

    It seems our resident Big Bird(Lamont Palmer, see my poem " Lamont Palmer and His Mediocrities" ;) is getting in too deep.
    i want to help Lamont Palmer by providing the forum with great examples
    of his " genius" . Sometimes how someone actually writes is more relevant than
    what he says(over and over again) .
    Anyone who does not see the genius in the following lines
    from Mr. Pamer's poetry is either blind or not a child in the crowd:

    " Drive his tongue from city to city" , or
    " Lay like roadkill at the entrance of ears" , or even
    " in the car Of your thoughts" ....

    This is so dense that at first it feels like gold and then upon
    closer inspection it becomes clear that we simply have
    a lot of lead, dead lead.
    These are excerpts from a poem he is so ashamed of, he has deleted it.
    I think we need to take whatever Palmer says with a pound of salt.

  • Gold Star - 11,404 Points Mohammad Skati (9/19/2014 1:09:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    A poet's style clearly shows him or her greatly to others. Thanks.

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