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Lamont Palmer Male, 52, United States (7/4/2013 1:46:00 PM)

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I'm sure Stevens and WCW never fully agreed on these issues either. And certainly not Buk and Merrill. And I suppose neither will we, since we've been going at it from 2005. In the end, the work speaks for itself. Keats died thinking he was an utter failure. And I bet Kilmer died thinking he was a genius. My, how things can change. -LP

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  • Rookie - 1st Stage Mary Morstan (7/4/2013 4:39:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    But, with all due respect (and I know what you're trying to say) , Jefferson's right: poems are written in lines/verses while prose uses the sentence (if that wasn't the case, FW would be taught as poetry) . Further, a passage of prose, taken from a novel or short story, is part of a greater whole: we need to read the rest of the work to find the context, and in that work we read on and on to get to the end - while in poetry we read to the end and then back up the page. Moreover, poetry also attempts to go beyond words, to silence or revelation.

    Re Joyce, I said he would eat you for breakfast because you said his experiment with language in FW was poetry (“his prose is poetry”) – he was trying to get beyond that, to create the language of the night and the unconscious. He also made a distinction between his poetry and prose (his poetry is formal, and not, imo, that great – some nice ones though) . In fact, in response to criticism of FW he brought out Pomes Penyeach. You can also listen to him read from FW online – he doesn't read it like poetry either. The sound of the words - in both prose and poems - was extremely important to him, however, and so yep it's lyrical. And Jefferson, did you know you can hear Tennyson recite online too?Thought you'd be pleased...

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    • Rookie - 1st Stage Jefferson Carter (7/6/2013 11:57:00 AM) Post reply

      M, I suppose I'd like to hear Tennyson recite, as long as it wasn't " riflemen, look to your butts...." ! What I'm simply trying to get Lamont to SEE (fat chance) is that poetry does not m ... more

    • Rookie - 1st Stage Lamont Palmer (7/4/2013 7:08:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      When I said FW was poetry, I meant in an essential way, not literally, as of course, its written out in paragraphs and is meant to be prose. -LP

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