Conversation With Lord Krishna - Vi (Fiction) Poem by Varanasi Ramabrahmam

I: What is the use of Your Presence?

Lord Krishna: My Presence gives peace of mind for the needy. I also help them to shine in their respective endeavors. I will make them experience the bliss of achievement just as the Sun just by and through his presence is responsible for all life to go on.

I: Where are You?

Lord Krishna: I am in your Faith, Understanding and heart.

I: Do You exist otherwise?

Lord Krishna: I am present always and everywhere, while you are there, and also before and after your existence. Do you exist?

I: Do not be diplomatic in answering. You are sounding more philosophical and vedantic.

Lord Krishna: I am known for my diplomacy, teasing nature, romanticism and compassion. Vedanta is the description, summing up and essence of all Existence-Mine, yours and Universe’s.

I: You pervade the Universe and are present in every thing and everywhere. So You are associated with cruelty, violence, cheating, killers, and the like negative things and vices also.

Lord Krishna: The things you narrated are not Divine Things or Qualities.

I: So You are not present every where and in everything or in every person.

Lord Krishna: There is no Time or Space, when or where I am not present. But My Presence is superimposed by demonic qualities and I am masked. This is the illusion created by ignorance, false identity and knowledge.

I: You are taking shelter behind logic.

Lord Krishna: I am the Form of Logic and also I can transcend logic. When all reasoning, logic, doubt, apprehension, disbelief die I will shine and one can experience Me.

I: Some monks, Peethaadhipatis, sanyasis, god-men, god-women, feel that they are superior to house-holders and even are arrogant enough to claim that they are Gods themselves.

Lord Krishna: I disappear whenever and where ever ego in any form and arrogance, rise.

I: Many of these “spiritual” practitioners are not genuine, and claim that they took this job to help house-holders cross samsaara (experience of happiness and unhappiness) and attain moksha (salvation) .

Lord Krishna: It is their profession and they have to claim like that only. They mastered the art of self-aggrandizing. They spend all their time, energy and ability to build these illusive “spiritual” empires. These persons are like the wooden spoon in the sweet dish. They are always with and in the sweet dish, they serve it to all but they do not know the sweet taste of the dish. If they know the taste they prefer to be silent and humility fills in their minds.

I: So “spiritual persons” like these when not able to shed their ego are another kind of house-holders only, is it not?

Lord Krishna: True. They boost their ego by thinking they are able to attract many successful and rich people of the society and they tend to use the social status of their “devotees“ for personal purpose too. They have more commitments than the house-holders, manage huge properties, large amounts of cash and taint themselves by deluding to indulge in the same forbidden acts which they warn the house-holders to shun.

I: Thus monks, sanyasis etc., engaged in financial transactions and owning properties are also house-holders only.

Lord Krishna: Yes. They are house-holders of different kind. Their dress, ornamental and attractive speeches are used to earn more and more of both money and popularity. They are actually the runners of large house-holds.

I: So just claiming they abstain from sex does not make them sanyasis monks)
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Lord Krishna: Yes. Who is afraid of or shuns opposite sex or sexual enjoyment can not be a spiritual person. Merely abstaining from enjoyment of sex won’t make one spiritual. Sometimes enjoying sex helps one to become and remain a shining spiritual person.

You take My example. I have eight wives, sixteen thousand cowherd-damsels, Radha and the like and I enjoy sex with them. But I am known as “nitya brahmachari”. Keeping the mind clean and unwavering and not identifying with the doer and not attached to the fruits of action makes one spiritual. You eat food when you are hungry and just will forget about it once it is over and until you are hungry again and will be involved in your other duties undisturbed. Same is true with enjoying sex. Any one shuns or is afraid of women is a coward and is behaving against nature and ends up in always thinking about opposite sex and sex with them.

I: Why these gurus bore us with many dos and don’ts which they themselves exempt from and try to look down us for doing all these natural things?

Lord Krishna: These commercial spiritual workers as I said earlier, never tasted the bliss of being spiritual. How can they make you experience it? Their scholarship, conversational and oratory skills, money and vanity around amuse you and attract you.

Note:

A real guru is like catalyst in the chemical reaction. He enhances the speed of happening of the reaction and once the reaction is complete just leaves. He only enhances the rate of the reaction. He never participates in the reaction and remains the same before and after the reaction. You only will change. Once you change, there is no need of any guru any more.

I: You know much chemistry too.
And if the Guru leaves, after the reaction has taken place, how we will proceed in spiritual quest from then onwards?

Lord Krishna: I am omniscient. I know all disciplines.
Your intuition plays the role of guru and guides after your guru leaves you. Real spiritual teachers know this and their concern is always to help you and not get help from you or make you their slaves for life.
The popularity and fame attained by fake gurus make them arrogant boosting their ego and this will lead to their downfall.
Such people can never attain moksha. And can never help their devotees attain moksha.

I: What is moksha (salvation) ?

Lord Krishna: I answered this earlier. Again listen. Shedding ego and not having self-consciousness is moksha. Once self-consciousness gets dissolved, I, who am present always within you as Prajnaanam (Conscious awareness) , will shine as pure consciousness, peace, bliss, silence and unoccupied awareness. You will be I.

And moksha is attained by the Grace of God. Your intense desire to attain moksha and practice of spiritual methods make God to have Grace on you and lead and guide you till moksha is attained by you.

God’s Grace is like grip of tiger. Once it gets the grip, tiger never allows the prey to escape from it. So also God never leaves the aspiring devotee till devotee attains moksha. From then onwards it is the business and duty of God to take care of you and give you moksha.

Your only duty during this period is to adhere to His words, teachings and the wise words of seers and sages and the dos and don’ts prescribed by them.