M.D Dinesh Nair

(Thrissur/Vijayawada)

HOW TO HONOUR OUR POETHOOD?


We may note that some of our poet friends stoop down to levels of mudslinging at those whom they don`t like, making derogatory remarks, posting hurting comments and then managing to win the appreciation of a few for some other writes in all hypocrisy.

Another wrong habit to be done away with is excessive submission of many poems at a time on a regular basis!

In this context, May I propose a few codes for our self conduct if we aim at a decent stay over the PH?

1.THE NEED FOR SUBMISSION OF READABLE STUFF

Everything we write won`t make poetry just because the name of the website is POEM HUNTER.COM

Some of our friends submit more than 10 'poems' over a week`s time making it difficult for their friends even to go through all of them, leave aside time for writing comments.

A good member may preferably submit a work of readable stuff keeping in mind the wide exposure of their works on the website.

We need to submit our works in a limited number over a period of days which may be a week or even a month.If we begin to write poems like hen laying eggs out of a routine interest, quality writes will not be submitted and even if 'they' are there, many of us will not be read by others.

So there is a need for a self imposed and obvious restriction regarding the number of poems submitted at a go.

Our great English Poets or American poets of the period from 1300 AD till the late 1990s did not write so many poems though it was their profession! They wrote less than 100 poems altogether and they still live in our minds as master poets of all times.

See now the cases of some of our friends who have already written thousands of 'poems' and there are many 'potential' members who can reach such numbers in no time!

Think it over, please.If found unread by any, why don`t they delete many of such poems?

2.THE NEED FOR MINDING OUR LANGUAGE

This means both - the standard English to be used on this international forum and the control of the mind that speaks through the lines.
Some of our friends write on without caring for the grammatical, linguistic or syntactical rules the English language insists on.In case we have our own difficulty to express in moderately quality English, we can depend on the Google translator.

In many cases we can take care of our language by keeping a good dictionary by us for ready reference and some mistakes of omission or commission can be rectified.

There is a need for assessing the levels our own actual proficiency in English and each member has to remind himself/herself of the need for checking the works written in a hurry or quite mechanically.

If any member is found to be writing in any English that is not tolerable, our friends from the English speaking countries may better correct them, guide them or better even ask them to learn good English and come back to the PH at a later time.

A clear or distinct mindset has to guide them all in this regard!

3.THE NEED FOR STOPPING THE MUDSLINGING

This is not known to many of us.Some our friends regularly and directly or indirectly resort to this practice. Some of our 'friends' write comments which amount to derogatory statements, some write comments which have indirect criticism which can hurt the poet in one way or other.

This is done by writing 'poems' indirectly addressed to some other members and only those who understand what went wrong in the past between the writer and the addressed, one can really make some sense out of such writes.
Otherwise it is done by directly posting certain comments which could have better been sent as messages..

Still some of our friends cannot understand whether it is real or not and if that is the case, please read my first sentence under the sub title.

We are supposedly on a friendly forum for poets which is not essentially a well tested international space for us.The PH is a forum for every Tom, Dick and Harry and our popularity stunts have no real glow here.

We are expected to maintain minimum decorum as long as we continue to be here and we need not be here to expose our temper, arrogance, egos or erudition of any kind.

Individual mud slinging has to be strictly avoided and anyone resorting to such things should be strictly avoided or targeted by us at another level without fear.

It`s time to sit up and think over, dear ones.

4.THE NEED FOR READING AND THEN ASSESSING

Some of our friends pretend to have read their friends works and come out with comments like, 'I am speechless, Simply superb, A great write! , I enjoyed reading it' etc every time without making any reference to the theme, the style, the rendering, the message or the quality or diction of the poem. This is real HUMBUG.

Let us read and then write comment. Let us not do it mechanically just trying to impress our 'friends'.

In this regard, it is better to keep in mind the need for honouring the real poet friends and their sincere efforts. Let our comments be minimum in number if we cannot write many but let us write sensibly.

Similarly let us write only necessary comments and let us not just write adjectives like, ' Great write! , Excellent or Beautiful! etc even when a single glimpse over the work has told us, ' It is useless a write'.

Let us call a spade a spade or just say nothing at all.

5.THE NEED FOR ENCOURAGING THE NEW POEM HUNTER MEMBERS.

There are many new poem hunter members submitting quality poems in a random way. They don`t know how to get read by us, how to go up nor do they know the tactics of sending requests.

We have to read their poems now and then. While spending a considerable amount of time [say for example 2 hrs at a stretch]we may spend at least 15 minutes for reading and commenting on the writes of the new members.

As I have mentioned here the popularity of the members over here has nothing to do with the real talent of any member and very often you see the ranking varying in higher degrees just because it`s a farce at times.The most popular member of 2007 a poet from Canada is nowhere there now, a topper of 2008 is not at all in the top 100 now!

So the popularity need not be our CONCERN as long as we write moderately good poems.

*Our friends who are on the top as of now please, don`t misunderstand this statement.What I mean to say is you are really honoured here by the others.But even if your ranks collapse, please don`t regret that you are in lost glory now.

With all humility let me say that even I was in the first five in November 2009 and have never been able to return to the first 10 since then.I long for it though I don`t regret about it.Two times my old sites got crashed and this is my third one. Still I am around you for I have been in touch with most of my friends.

It is time to encourage the new entrants by reading their writes now and then.

The new members please, note that they can attract the old members` attention by first commenting on their works. A mutual intimacy slowly developed will surely pay rich REWARDS in course of time.

It is up to you all to support my proposal or ignore it.

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My above proposals are presented here just for our common interests being taken note of and something being found to be done by all of us in a significant way.
Your comments are welcome, of course hopefully bearing in mind the essence of the proposals 3 and 4 if you don`t mind.

Submitted: Wednesday, September 25, 2013
Edited: Thursday, September 26, 2013

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  • Anthony Di''anno (10/3/2013 6:12:00 AM)

    Fair enough. I agree with the majority of comments. I have very little time available to be online and therefore have to make my time count. I try and be honest when I make comments and I always aim to inspire. I am not interested in numbers and ratings and make comments only when I want to. I am not a fan of messaging members with requests to read my poems. As some members have so correctly pointed out the answer lies in writing high quality poems that are gifts to the art itself. Be the change itself when interacting.
    It's good that you care Dinesh :) (Report) Reply

  • Tajudeen Shah (10/1/2013 10:01:00 AM)

    sensible suggestions, and, sure, the fellow bards would never hesitate to promote such thoughts and proposal. Welcome, I submit my humble support to Dineshji at this instance. Regards. (Report) Reply

  • Tirupathi Chandrupatla (9/30/2013 11:28:00 AM)

    Let every poet strive to deliver high quality poems. It should not be a problem if someone delivers a high quantity of high quality poems. Dinesh has provided several thoughts related to poems to be presented. Thoughtfulness in remarks is essential. These remarks are source of encouragement for many. If someone is not impressed, then do not comment. Never make a derogatory comment. Encouragement of others to deliver quality poems is a necessary part of the forum. Thank you Dinesh for your thoughtful proposal. (Report) Reply

  • Diane Hine (9/28/2013 11:04:00 PM)

    Beautiful! (just joking) - seriously, I did read it carefully and agree with you. (Report) Reply

  • Valsa George (9/28/2013 9:37:00 PM)

    Making derogatory remarks about another is offensive and should be discouraged at any cost. Regarding excessive submission at a given point of time, I have a slightly different opinion. If one is capable of writing and posting quality poems, there is no need of restricting the number of submission within a stipulated time. Even if we are not able to read all of them, if we are interested, we can look at them and read them leisurely.
    Since this is an international forum, we have to be more careful about the accuracy of the language by reading and checking over and over again before submission. Some may not be able to understand the mistakes for themselves. Towards such, others have be tolerant, as this is a forum for amateur wtiters.... We cannot expect the same level from all

    Regarding the 4th point, I totally agree! Our comments should be honest. Using hyperboles without even reading the poem is humbug!
    5. Ofcourse the young writers need to be encouraged. Surprisingly, we have now a good array of promising youngsters who can even put the experienced ones to shame
    6 As Dinesh, suggests, coming to the top needn't be our concern, as the rating is not based on reliable yardsticks. The number of 'hits' we recieve largely depends on the number of comments we make on others poems. If we make more comments as Mr. Dave has said, the rating automatically goes up and it has rarely much to do with quality!

    Any way a very interesting and open discourse on poets and poetry. Dinesh, your write will definitely help others excercise certain precautions and sef discipline.
    As ever you keep this forum lively! ! Congrats! ! (Report) Reply

  • Thomas Francis (9/28/2013 2:40:00 AM)

    your opinions are relevant and valuable...........

    And also the poems you write.........

    Keep the spirit.........

    May God bless you........ (Report) Reply

  • Dinesh Nair (9/28/2013 2:16:00 AM)

    I thank Dave Walker, Morality Crusader{? } and Kavya for backing the proposals.. (Report) Reply

  • Kavya . (9/28/2013 2:03:00 AM)

    a very honest and straightforward statements put forth by you Sir, and I agree with all your points......
    1) the indirect approach made by many pointing towards someone written in a coded language is a major disaster of poems that I have found in this site, , , , , , and on top of it, people even appreciating on such poems with usage of adjectives as u have rightly pointed out.............
    2) the sarcastic comments given by some that would hurt the poet or make the other readers form a different opinion as well........
    3) points 3 and 4 duly noted and totally agree with u..........
    a good one Sir........
    u have been blunt and straightforward in your views which in my opinion would only help the other person to grow if he/she takes it in the right sense
    thx for being a guide and mentor for freshers like us (Report) Reply

  • Dave Walker (9/27/2013 7:45:00 AM)

    I agree with a lot of what you say, I have seen hurtful comments but have only seen one poet leave them. As for mud slinging there is no need for it what so ever. As for ratings I totally agree with you, there is some very very good poets who are no where near even the top hundred. It's all down to how many poets on poemhunter read them. There is very little we can do to change how the ratings work. When I stopped smoking I read and commented on many poems, and in return they read mine, and because they had not read my poetry before I ended up in the number one spot. If I had not stopped smoking and not made as many comments I would not have been number one. As for the comments like, A superb poem or a great write, I don't mind that. Sometimes people will read a poem and no matter how much they like it just can't think of what to say, but they
    want to say something just so the poet knows that they like their poems. (Report) Reply

  • Dinesh Nair (9/26/2013 11:54:00 PM)

    Valerie, Lyn, Heather all your views are highly appreciated.Shahziaji, you are right what Aswath wrote ran without explanation and hence my statement. (Report) Reply

  • Lyn Paul (9/26/2013 11:36:00 PM)

    This website is a real inspiration to me with some wonderful members even though I have never met I just know that by their comments and wonderful words they are. Too have something such as this to release what is running through our heads is great. Thank you for these words Dinesh (Report) Reply

  • Shahzia Batool (9/26/2013 2:55:00 PM)

    @ your reply Dinesh ji, thanks for acknowledgement here, yes, i could not write more because of my preoccupations at home...but i read the discussion, and i think you are not discussed as a new member but the one who encourages the new members a lot by your comments on their writes...i think! ! !
    thanks again! ! ! (Report) Reply

  • Valerie Dohren (9/26/2013 12:35:00 PM)

    An interesting discourse Dinesh, and I am inclined to agree with many of the points you make. It is, however, everyone's prerogative to write what they want, unless of course it contains bad language. Therefore, there is little we can do to change things. PH is an extremely large site and this therefore precludes selectivity. I myself post on another site which adheres to many of these ideals, including limiting the number of submissions which may be made in a week to just four. This gives everyone a fair chance of being read, and prevents some writers from hogging the limelight. Good and constructive critique is also encouraged as a means of improving writing skills.
    Your submission here is worthy of thoughtful consideration by all. (Report) Reply

  • Heather Wilkins (9/26/2013 11:42:00 AM)

    As poets we should honor our craft. Encourage the young poets to hone their skills in by doing so our craft will continue to thrive. Show respect for all poets as we are all in different levels of writing. Offer encouraging comments. Trash words is really not poetry, it is just venting emotions in public. This is a community of dedicated writers and we should act as such. (Report) Reply

  • Dinesh Nair (9/26/2013 11:09:00 AM)

    Many many thanks Aswath for ONLY being honest and when we begin to break the hard shell of hypocrisy we are following the only policy. But your reference to my name as a new member is wrong and my resubmissions of writes do not make me a new member. So I myself withdraw my name from the pair referred to.

    Shahziaji is hinting at things but for obvious reasons cannot come out with further comments.. Thanks Madam,

    Mr Thomas Robinson is quite articulate and right here and even without backing the proposals sir, you can also contribute to the cleansing process if you are pleased.. Thank you sir.

    Payal, you could have skipped the first half of the opening sentence for references equal to the eulogy of that kind have no room here.Thank you dear 'student' of things.
    Ms Geetha Jayakumar, you are very frank and I am sure you will be rightly assessed by our friends in future.Thank you madam (Report) Reply

  • Geetha Jayakumar (9/26/2013 10:59:00 AM)

    Sir, I agree with what you want to say. As a new comer, like me made lot of mistakes. But definitely, I would like to tell that many comments from Ph did changed my writings a lot. Many things, I learned and When I was new, I found some poem so tough to understand, but I always made sure to understand it by google dictionary. In this process, I learnt a lot. Some sincere comments, I can easily guess, did change my way of writing. So each time I say I respect your knowledge, its that I am learning from you. I liked many new comers like me can definitely get a chance to make their dream come true. In one sense you are helping many new comers to come up.Thats the only reason, I respect each and everyone here in Ph.
    Yeah, I read others poems and write comments in short example i loved it and wow, wonderful. I agree that I should describe what the poem meant too so that a poet understands how much as a reader I understood poem well.
    Yeah, I do agree I submitted so many poems in 4 months..some went unread too. One poem Neelu went to top, I agree there were many errors, inspite of all mistakes.. Well I did nothing to come to top hot poem list. It surprised me.
    My poems misunderstood because my way of communication is not proper. So I am misunderstood. In Ph forum I asked my poems are miscommunicated, they said write with heart and guts. So the poem Neelu came. I agree readers don't know whether it is real or imaginary. So choice left to them.
    Sir, I agree that I shouldn't make mistake and Not necessary all readers understand me well..
    Yeah, I am quiet sensitive person, so I often pass pleasant comments only, I make sure that I don't want to hurt any person by my words, but I am deeply hurt because of my poems, am being misunderstood. Especially I respect each one of you here, I feel hurt when they write any unpleasant comments. My aim to coming to Ph was only for poems, I can never ever think of making anyones life miserable because of me.
    To the new comers, I often pass motivating comments only because whenever, I write comments I put myself in that place.
    But definitely I request each respected poet to guide us whenever we do mistakes in our poems especially for a new comers like me.
    Thank you Sir, for posting such a write in PH.
    Definitely one can communicate freely in this session. Thanks a lot for your time and patience. (Report) Reply

  • Payal Parande (9/26/2013 10:29:00 AM)

    you are the best teacher for youngsters like us and you have proved my point sir this article is fantastic and true to the core and we should really think of applying this to our ph life...cause when we come here we enter in new world and with that there should be some rules and boundary to keep this place pure....thank you sir for your brilliant thoughts (Report) Reply

  • Thomas A Robinson (9/26/2013 10:10:00 AM)

    When we joined PH we were not given a manual on how to be a poet or rules.Nor were we given a mentor
    or overseer to aid our entry (many poem sites do) . So while I do completely agree with you M. D. Dinesh Nair I cannot back your proposals unless we were to have a vote by all members on rules. Much confusion
    and violations take place and it would be refreshing to have a sense of boundries in which P H could adhere to. (Report) Reply

  • Shahzia Batool (9/26/2013 6:31:00 AM)

    @the title: the honor of the poethood should be the main focus...
    @the note: you said all what many of us here wanted to say, i endorse it all...with appreciating your time that you spent on such an important message for all of us...thank you so much! (Report) Reply

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